|Rendered useless by price fixing||Crankist|
Sep 30, 2003 7:09 AM
I used to check this site from time to time for cassette pricing and saved a bunch on shifters in the past.
'Tis sad...and irratating as hell!
Sep 30, 2003 8:33 AM
|did Shimano change something about their pricing?|
Sep 30, 2003 8:45 AM
Sep 30, 2003 8:59 AM
|I guess I'll be going back to Campy for the next bike... I'm not paying $80 for a front der.|
|No Sh!t....How 'bout $160 for a damn cassette...||biknben|
Sep 30, 2003 9:11 AM
|My 9 spd seems to shift better all of a sudden. :-)
Thanks for the tip Cranky. I didn't realize Shimano had done this.
|who the hell is gonna buy this stuff is my question||gtx|
Sep 30, 2003 9:13 AM
|so a full group with hubs and hs is what, $1700????|
|Don't get your shorts in a bunch.....||MR_GRUMPY|
Sep 30, 2003 10:27 AM
|Did you think that Shimano 10 speed would be the same price as 9 speed ??
Shimano wants to put Dura Ace in the same price range as Record.
|Don't get your shorts in a bunch.....||lemmy999|
Sep 30, 2003 10:40 AM
|for me it has nothing to do with the price of the 10speed (which I had no plans on buying). It is their decision to use price fixing and only allow mail order at 4-5 online stores. I have bought my last shimano product.|
|There is no price "fixing"||MR_GRUMPY|
Sep 30, 2003 11:26 AM
|Shimano will charge the same for everyone. Bike shops and internet.
Anybody is free to cut their profits. A "new" Dura Ace rear changer may cost $90 at a bike shop, and $83 at an internet site. Both will pay the same for the part. The internet site might charge less because they have less overhead.
|This is incorrect||Crankist|
Sep 30, 2003 11:47 AM
|The 5 online retailers must chg. MSRP. So if there are going to be discounts it would have to come from LBSs; I don't like the odds of that.|
|You are incorrect||TJeanloz|
Sep 30, 2003 12:18 PM
|It would be a violation of FTC rules to force anybody to charge MSRP, note that the S is for "suggested". You can, however, prohibit advertising a price lower than MSRP outside of a particular market, and since the internet or mail order are, by definition, outside of a market, the lower price could not be advertised by those means.
You may be able to call up the mail-order houses and haggle with them - people seem to have no trouble doing this with their bike shop, so why should Excel be any different? They could also go to the scenario that you see in electronics, where you have to call for pricing.
LBS' are under no obligation to sell at MSRP, and most don't even have a relationship with Shimano per se. They can charge whatever they want, and probably advertise (locally) whatever price they want to.
|In the real world this is often circumvented||Crankist|
Sep 30, 2003 7:36 PM
|Laws or no laws FTC or no FTC just try to buy for ex., a pair of B&W speakers on the open market from online retailers or elsewhere for under MSRP. They won't even sell to you at MSRP if there's a dealer within 50 or 75 miles of your address. Bose is similar (not that I'd wish that on anyone). Gray market offerings is all that would be available. There are I'm sure many more products legally controlled in this manner. Perhaps this is the fate of DA04 bargain shoppers.
I am sad to think that the possibility of "haggling" with Excel et al is the best potential recourse.
I hope that the article (the link to which I copied) from CC is wrong. I have no agenda here- I just find this article on Shimano price fixing unnactractive as hell. Let's see what transpires in the next few months.
|good thing we're in a recession, or they would really gouge us!||tarwheel|
Sep 30, 2003 10:56 AM
|Do these prices apply to old, 9-speed parts as well? It might be wise to go ahead and stock up on parts that tend to wear out, like cassettes, chains, BBs, etc. Same goes for Campy.|
|No way........ 10 speed only.............nm||MR_GRUMPY|
Sep 30, 2003 11:28 AM
|Campy looks better and better....||zero85ZEN|
Sep 30, 2003 6:15 PM
|I'd go Chorus 10 speed before Dura Ace 10 speed at those prices. (Glad I've already got a complete Record 10 group boxed and waiting for next summers build project.) I'll be staying with 9 speed Dura Ace on two of my bikes and Record 10 on the other. And I work part time in a shop and can get stuff at wholesale. But the way things are going wholesale is even to rich for my budget!
I'm not fond of the looks of the new DA group either. I know it is lighter and probably performs flawlessly but...it is just damn ugly in my opinion.