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Beware of riding new DA 10 bike....(12 posts)

Beware of riding new DA 10 bike....teoteoteo
Sep 26, 2003 10:03 AM
because it will make you want one. Shifting action is very nice--lighter and smoother than 9. Ugly hoods do yield anothe hand position for freaks like me who enjoy a "superman" stretched postion.

FWIW the parts came on a 2004 Tuscany that arrived at shop yesterday
I've heard that there is less "throw" per shift.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 26, 2003 10:29 AM
True ?
Maybe in 2006-2007, unless I destroy a bike.
Seems opposite to me ...teoteoteo
Sep 26, 2003 10:46 AM
Seems to be more thro ...both myself and co-worker noticed that. But the action is so nice that it didn't bother me.

What does bother me is the amount of plastic (shimano calls it composite) on the brakes. The "lever" on the brake and the tension barrel on the brake caliper are plastic...
Teo...Fez
Sep 26, 2003 10:55 AM
What is the bare minimum you need purchase in order to upgrade a 2003 DuraAce 9 speed with Ksyrium SL to 10 speed?
As I understand it, Ksyrium or Dura Ace 9 speed hubs will take the new 10 speed cassette body, and the brake calipers do not need to be changed either.

My list:

Shifters
BB + Crankset (including rings)
Rear D
Front D
Cassette and Chain

Is that all?
My guess...Andy M-S
Sep 26, 2003 11:20 AM
I'd wager that you can probably leave the cranks,BB, and FD alone. You'll need shifters, POSSIBLY a new RD, certainly a new cassette and chain.

Remember that it's been quite a while since Shimano changed the geometry of their RD (8-speed DA being the exception). Most of the changes have taken place in the shifters.
Are U sure?Fez
Sep 26, 2003 11:25 AM
I could be mistaken, but I thought the most most revolutionary (and needed) component was the BB and crankset.

I thought the specs changed and I didn't think it was possible to use any of the old cranks, rings, and BB.
I'd go with Fez's listteoteoteo
Sep 26, 2003 12:13 PM
Fez,

I say your list is the best route. The Front der is different, the rear der seems to have a heavier spring than DA 9. If you haven't seen the cost for the individual parts though be ready for shock.

Shifters 385ish
cranks/bb 385ish
Rear Der 115

Can't remember the rest of prices but group is 1400ish
Teo...Fez
Sep 26, 2003 12:21 PM
Based on the limited research I have done for 2004 models, I have observed that all the DA bikes appear to be 10 speed. I haven't seen any manufacturers decide to spec any bikes with DA 9 speed.

On average, how much as the price of the bikes increased as a result of the new DA components?

By comparison, new XTR was not universally embraced by the manufacturers the first year, either due to cost or the different shift mechanism. I saw lots of new bikes continue to be spec'd with the "old" XTR stuff and many retailers continued to sell complete "old" XTR groupsets.
Teo...teoteoteo
Sep 26, 2003 1:35 PM
So far Specialized, Trek and Litespeed seem to be on board with the 10 and none of their bikes that I have seen or read about will have 9.

Here are sample MSRP's on complete bikes with 10 as opposed to the same model 9 bike.



2003 5500 Double $3300 2004 500 double $3600

2003 Specialized S-works road $4200 2004 is $3600

03 Litespeed tuscany with DA/krsyium 4550ish
04 is $4864

To me it seems like 3-400 is being passed on with the exception of Specialized which dropped the price by 700--the big reason for the price drop from specialized is the fact that they have 2 new High end models.

The S-Works Tarmac Carbon Alum bike AND the All carbon Roubaix.

Even more interesting will be the Specialized Allez Pro wich will be below $3k and offer Full DA 10 with Mavic Ksyrium Elites and Full carbon fork.
side note: tuscany priceweiwentg
Sep 26, 2003 1:39 PM
nearly 5 grand for a Tuscany, DA and Ksyriums seems, at best, a bit on the high side.
I will go out on a limb and say that personally, I think it's ridiculous.
Revolutionary?MShaw
Sep 26, 2003 2:52 PM
Hah, if I wanted Bullseye cranks, I'd have bought them in the 80s!

Sweet wings were a similar idea that didn't last too long.

So, revolutionary? Nope.

Do you NEED them for an upgrade? Probably not, but I haven't looked at the stuff up close and personal either.

The 9sp upgrade kits were usually rear der., cassette, chain, and shifters. I don't see why the 10sp upgrade won't be similar.

Mike
Revolutionary no, Stiffer Hell Yes!teoteoteo
Sep 26, 2003 3:04 PM
They are much stiffer, one the first things I noticed on my test ride. I am small guy so i thing the bigger riders will appreciate them.

I was always a redline crank fan myself......remember those? I had Bullseye hubs though....