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Revisit to the stem and LBS post below...(17 posts)

Revisit to the stem and LBS post below...filly
Sep 22, 2003 11:05 AM
First, yes, my bike is missing the "L" on the seat tube. This is due to the clamp on my bike stand compressing the decal and eventually crimping it. Live and learn... Another problem with being a noob when buying a bike is you don't even realize they make doubles and triples. You just see chain and components and go "Sweet!". Well, now I've got a triple and see no action from the small ring. Again, live and learn...

For the stem/handlebar pic, this is what I see when I'm on the bike (sorry for the angle). Being that this is a LeMond and it's stretched out to begin with, add the stem length to it. The only thing causing me to want a shorter stem is that my unit gets numb (due to the extended reach and resulting pressure being put on the perineum) and the eventual pinching I get in between the shoulder blades from the big reach. By the way, I'm about 6'1", so I'm reachin'.
Stem/handlebar picfilly
Sep 22, 2003 11:10 AM
Who did thre bar tape? (NM)High Gear
Sep 22, 2003 4:54 PM
Who did the bar tape? (NM)High Gear
Sep 22, 2003 4:55 PM
Holly saddle/bar drop Batman...biknben
Sep 22, 2003 11:22 AM
My taint aches just looking at that. Have you thought about increasing the ride of the stem? You have a long TT (inherent with Lemond) and long stem (based on your accounts) and a huge drop to the handlebars. It's no surprise that you're experiencing numbness. I'd seriously consider adding some rise to whatever stem you get.
Ouch! my back hurts just looking at it.bimini
Sep 22, 2003 11:36 AM
I agree, this is a serious drop. I'm sure there are some experienced riders that can handle that drop but it looks like the source of your pain.

Like biknben said get some rise on the next stem, the more the better for a "newbie".

Did your LBS send you out that way knowing you were a newbie at the time?

Ouch!

Nice bike though.
Maybe try flipping the stem you have now? (NM)lampshade
Sep 22, 2003 11:25 AM
Yup. That's what I would suggest.Spunout
Sep 22, 2003 11:41 AM
Lemonds are very low in front, and buying a smallish frame in order to keep the TT reasonable results in some big drops.

You could even go one size bigger and put a 90 or 100 stem.

Here's a picture of my Lemond, I have some hefty drop too but use a Thomson +10* stem at 110.
Couldn't you find a...TFerguson
Sep 22, 2003 11:47 AM
background with yellow AND blue flowers?
TF
Or the Blue Angels overhead :) nmTUT2222
Sep 22, 2003 12:03 PM
;-) nmSpunout
Sep 23, 2003 3:36 AM
More on flipping stem...KEN2
Sep 22, 2003 12:41 PM
If you're not familiar with it, this is a very easy job. www.parktool.com has pictures to help, but basically you take out the two bolts in front holding your handlebar in the stem; loosen the two bolts at the back of the stem (clamping it on your fork steerer); then back out the top bolt on the stem cap. You can then flip the stem over and reinstall the front plate/handlebars.

When you back out the top bolt, try to sense how tight it is (not very). This bolt controls the compression on your headset: too loose and the front end will be loose; too tight and your steering will bind. Obviously, just right is what you are after when you reinstall it. Once you have that where you want it, retighten the stem clamp bolts after centering the stem in line with the front wheel.

Flipping may not be the ultimate solution, but it will get you closer and likely more comfortable than you are now, for no investment.
Firstly, I don't know what post you're talking about revisitingNo_sprint
Sep 22, 2003 11:37 AM
Therefore, after reading this, I'll start by saying I just don't have enough info to make any judgements. Others here might slam my premature comments. Some things to *consider* are as follows. If you've got enough legs for a good amount of standover and your KOP position is somewhere near what's considered to be somewhat standard then, I'll assume you've got a very short torso if that's an accurate picture of your view when riding. If this is the case, any fit fix is just a band aid over an ill fitting bike in the first place. There are some body types that just long for custom. Sure you could go with a shorter stem. If you're comfortable moving the seat forward I'd suggest that too. I like a slightly forward KOP position compared to a slightly rearward position any day. Next, as you continue to log miles, fitness improves, core strength improves, etc. and bike fit changes. Next, try a different saddle with different positions, tilts, etc. Until you no longer have the problem, prevent numbness by standing, whatever it takes. Good luck.
Your credibility is at stake!Zman
Sep 22, 2003 12:25 PM
I think that you should suck it up and buy the stem that you feel is best for you. No fit is perfect, they did the best that they could and you did not say a thing for 8 months. I would be not even think about asking them to swap it, it is your mistake now, not the bike shops.

You are making excuses and expecting someone else to pay for it. If you had issues with the bike they should have been known long ago.

Your beating a dead horse....to death again.

Any money that you save would be lost in credibility for future deals, which may or may not matter to you.

I would go back to the store and tell them that the stock stem just isn't working for you and ask for their advice. Try a few stems before you buy one, and then maybe you will get lucky and they will help you out.

I have more to say but I will stop. Have a great day.

Z
I know someone else said it, but flip that stem first!MShaw
Sep 22, 2003 2:10 PM
Yes, it looks like the drop's a little severe for a new-ish rider. Flipping the stem over should solve a few of the problems you're complaining about.

Since we can't see you riding the bike, where do you normally ride? Drops, hoods, tops?

Mike
If you feel like you need a new stem, buy a new stem....russw19
Sep 22, 2003 2:52 PM
But get the idea out of your head that the shop "owes" you a new one. It doesn't matter if you would have taken the bike back 2 days after you bought it, let alone 8 months, the shop is not obligated to pay for your new stem. Some shops swap them out as a COURTESY to you, but they are not in any circumstances obligated to do so. I am starting to think that some people on this board don't understand what courteous behavior is, and that some people have very unrealistic expectations from the LBS. Nobody here has any problems with buying from a mail-order house to save some of their hard earned money (and I am not arguing against that!) but yet they expect free things right away with no waiting at the local shop, and then they get upset when the shop charges $8 more for a Dura-Ace derailleur than some guy on Ebay. Shops pay for stems. If they swap them out on your bike, they pay an employee to do it. Often the stem they swap to your bike is better than the one they took off. That costs them more money. (How many people here would let a shop put a cheaper stem on without them giving you something else in return? Not many of you!) And yet some shops still happily do this, why? To keep you happy! Happy enough that you buy your tubes and tires off Ebay to save a few of your hard earned dollars. What is the point of the shop trying to build a relationship with customers when the relationship costs the shop money? That is why I think *read as only my opinion* people should shop at the local bike shop. And believe me, the shops know who those people are. If you are one of them, you will get your stem swapped out. In fact, they would have probably told you that you needed a shorter one long ago if you spent enough time there. But if you don't establish that relationship with your LBS, they don't know you, and so they also don't owe you.

I know I sound like I am dogging all people who don't buy exclusively from the LBS, and that's not my point... my point is that you can't have it both ways and you can't talk out of both sides of the mouth. Why is it that it's OK for the consumer to watch their own dollars that tightly, but yet you expect the shop owner to pay for your new stem? Are you really that special of a customer to them? If you are, they will know, and so will you when they swap your stem and tell you to have a nice day when you ask them "how much?"

Just my little rant on some people's unrealistic expectations about customer service in a global economy.

Russ
Thank You...Bill B
Sep 22, 2003 4:27 PM
Russ,

On behalf of all of us trying to squeeze out a living in the bike shop biz, thank you for eloquently saying what we all have live with day in and day out.

This afternoon a guy who always works the price down on me brings in a pair of gloves that I do not sell and asks if I will make a trade with him for some that do. I had to say no, I do not carry that brand and do not plan to, if I took his gloves, I'd have to sell them at a discount as a one only pair. He thought I was being unfair, that I could sell them in a day or two and break even. Breaking even does not pay lights or salery and it sure aint gonna help me put the new Dura Ace on the floor at the same price as Colorado Cyclist who aren't going to stay late to install it so that you can be the first guy with it at the Saturday morning ride.
Thanks for your post Russ, sorry if this turned into a rant.