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Stem police - felony in progress(6 posts)

Stem police - felony in progressOffTheBack
Sep 11, 2003 9:10 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3626629929&category=7298
makes sensetarwheel
Sep 11, 2003 9:28 AM
Read the description. It's a new demo bike being sold by a shop. There's no sense cutting a steerer tube on a new bike because they don't know how high the buyer will like his/her handlebar. Once you cut a steerer tube, you can't put it back. The real crime is when bike shops cut a steerer tube too short and then the buyer has no recourse other than riding with a handlebar that is way too low -- or buying a new fork.
Noooo, illogical...sievers11
Sep 11, 2003 11:21 AM
That is a 58 right, the head tube looks to be very tall, even with stem at the proper 1 - 2 mm spacer height the handle bar looks to be even with the saddle. They are making fun of Serotta.

You should take out all but 4 mm of spacer and cut the stear tube. If they need different heights on the bar, try different angles and length to the stem and not dork out the bike.

You have to think, how is the shop going to sell that dorky bike?
Couple of questions...loki_1
Sep 11, 2003 1:09 PM
and these are serious questions, i am not trying to be a smartass, i am just your average dumbass riding a quill stem. :)

1. Why is 1-2mm spacer height proper? Why would they make long steer tubes if not to give more flexibility in sizing?

2. I would guess the reason quill stems were replaced by this type of stem was weight? Any other advantages to the new style? IMHO the quill stems are nice in that I can adjust the height of the bars without buying a new stem.

Thanks for any clarification you can provide.
Couple of answers...Steve Bailey
Sep 11, 2003 1:37 PM
>Why is 1-2mm spacer height proper? Why would they make long steer tubes if not to give more flexibility in sizing?

What's "proper is a good fit. Those folks who think that anything over 10mm of spacers are idiots. Use whatever you need.

>I would guess the reason quill stems were replaced by this type of stem was weight?

So they say, 'though I've seen information that a 1-1/8" system is no lighter then a 1" system, when all is taken into account - steerer tube weight, extra metal all around on the headtube, stem, extra bolts, etc... So weight is not the reason, though the manufacturers would like you to think so.

>Any other advantages to the new style? IMHO the quill stems are nice in that I can adjust the height of the bars without buying a new stem.

The manufacturers wanted to standardize on one size for all bikes (saves money) - and 1-1/8" was the most common due to the sheer numbers of mountain bikes sold with 1-1/8".... So road had to follow.

And yes, it's easier to adjust the height on a 1" quill stem, but the reality is once adjusted, it usually stay's and threadless isn't that hard to raise, once the manufacturers started shipping with the steerer tube un-cut. Some say a threadless with 60mm of spacers is ugly, but I like it, and it isn't any uglier to me (all the components are black) then my tourer with the really long 1" Technomic stem.

Threadless is a whole lot easier to get adjusted correctly too, though every time you remove the stem (shipping a bike ?), you have to re-adjust the tension and hope it's right, but it's easier to get right so......

My $.02

SB
huh??tarwheel
Sep 12, 2003 5:57 AM
So what if they cut the steerer tube so it takes 1 cm of spacers and the buyer wants 3 -4 cm of spacers? Why not just leave it uncut and let the buyer decide? It makes absolutely no sense to cut a steerer tube on a threadless fork until you know what the buyer wants. Some people like lots of drop, others don't. Some like conventional 73-degree stems, others don't mind a riser stem. Like I said, the real problem is bike shops that set up bikes to "look cool" and sell them to people who cannot get comfortable with 3-4" drops and end up selling the bikes or having to buy a new fork.