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Help me spend my money!!!(10 posts)

Help me spend my money!!!ROLSTON0012
Sep 10, 2003 6:41 AM
I was looking for opinions as to purchasing a new bike.what is the most important feature to people:

A nice frame & fork with lesser components (let's say full Ultegra)


a bike like the Douglas Vector from Colorado Cyclist with full Dura-Ace and velomax wheels?

Assume the cost for both is the same.

Thanks for your help
Don't let the components sway you...niteschaos
Sep 10, 2003 6:45 AM
...especially if you are deciding between Dura-Ace and Ultegra. That's like deciding between a Ferrari 575M and a Modena 360. However, Velomax does make some really nice wheels, so I'd wiegh that.
not sureDougSloan
Sep 10, 2003 6:54 AM
These days the components could easily cost more than the frame. The old dogma was buy a nice frame, as you can always upgrade the components. The opposite might be valid now. Assuming the two frames fit equally, you may notice more of a difference in the components than in frame qualities or function. Switching out a frame is the same as switching out the components in terms of labor anyway.

..older dogma: Buy super record everything, then frame! nmSpunout
Sep 10, 2003 7:05 AM
Newest Dogma! And Record to boot!russw19
Sep 10, 2003 9:08 AM
re: Help me spend my money!!!MR_GRUMPY
Sep 10, 2003 7:08 AM
For myself, I would go with a quality steel frame with lesser components. But that's just me. If you are looking at an Aluminum frame, it doesn't make much difference which one you get.
What do you want the Bike for?bimini
Sep 10, 2003 7:56 AM
If for bike clubbing, group rides, and impressing your friends go with a branded bike that has the ooh and ahh factor going for it.

If it is for pounding the bike fast or racing I would go for true aero wheels first, then components and then frame. It seems the more you spend on a frame (the lighter the frame), the thinner the tubing and the easier it is to dent, bend, ding and destroy it.
re: Help me spend my money!!!ROLSTON0012
Sep 10, 2003 8:05 AM
The bike will be primarily used for group rides & some local club races.

mostly group rides with some fast people, though.

I am getting back into riding after a long absence and things have changed dramatically!
how confident are you in picking the right size/geometry frame?tarwheel
Sep 10, 2003 8:29 AM
If you are at all unsure about what size/geometry is best for you in a frame, I would spend less on the frame and more on the components. As Doug said, it costs about the same to swap frames as it does components. The conventional wisdom is to buy the best frame you can afford, but you can waste a lot of money that way if you are unsure about bike fit.

I have bought several frames over the past 3 years as I've learned more about bike fit and geometry. I originally bought less expensive frames with good groups (Ultegra and Chorus) and later had the groups swapped to better fitting frames (labor costs about $100/bike).

However, if you already know what size and geometry fits you best -- and don't plan to upgrade frames any time soon -- I would invest more money in the frame. You also can get more bang for your buck by upgrading selected components in a group.
componentsterry b
Sep 10, 2003 9:04 AM
I've had enough bad experience with the lower levels to know that I ONLY buy Dura Ace or Chorus. Many have had a better go with Ultegra and its friends but for me, it will always be top shelf.

Frames can be good regardless of price. My first roadbike was a CP titanium Sampson - very inexpensive yet it rides like a champ and it came stocked with DA and had been completely trouble free for 6000 miles. One of my later bikes was a Calfee Tetra Pro (probably 5x frame cost) with Ultegra and it had so many problems with shifters alone that I took them off and replaced them.

I shop a lot for medium priced frames (like Douglas or closeouts on eBay) and they all ride well. Not having a whit of mechanical problems is far more important to me than some subtlety that you might detect between an $800 frame and a $2000 frame.