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Trust me, they really are out to kill you(36 posts)

Trust me, they really are out to kill youxcmntgeek
Sep 9, 2003 8:23 PM
During a discussion on this board a week or two ago it has questioned whether drivers are really as bad as people say. If you live in Missouri, I can atest tot he fact that they are, read on:
I was cooling down after a hard 3 hour LT workout on my normal, flat, interval course. There wasn't much traffic in any respect, it was a cool day, and I had achieved my training goals set by my coach. I was in a good mood. I look up and see a White '03 Chevy Pickup (license # 910 FXO) passing some slower traffic.
He had pleanty of room to stay move back over after he passed, but he stayed in my lane. Needless to say I got scared fast and with a closing speed of about 95 miles an hour the distance between us was dropping rapidly. I took evasive action and went CX style onto the gravel and dirt shoulder (more of a strip beside the road). I guess this wasn't enough for the f-ing redneck and he also dropped a wheel onto the shoulder.
I live in the hicks so I'm used to people screwing with me, but all of a sudden I relaized he didn't care if he killed me or not. I dismounted into the grass and he missed me by a foot then leaned out his window and told me to get off the fing road or he'd shoot me (nice touch). I called the cops and met with the sheriff (who happened to be an ex- cat 3 racer). I was angry enough that I actually drove around for an hour and found the truck so now I know where the a-hole lives.
Yes, some drivers really are out to kill you. They don't care one way or another. People like this make me want to start carrying a gun. Anyway, I am pressing charges: Attempted manslaughter, assault with a deadly weapon (which cars are considered in MO), and road rage. I'm not sure what will come of it; but I hope he burns in Hell.
re: Trust me, they really are out to kill youtirider
Sep 9, 2003 8:50 PM
Fabulous... I've ridden around myself looking for drivers. Good for you for following through in the hunt and pressing charges.
I understand your mad but...Sprint-Nick
Sep 9, 2003 9:10 PM
I'm sorry you had to have that experience. Having someone try to run you off the road trying to kill you then threatening to kill you with a gun is an experience hopefully noone else will have to go through and I understand your anger. But I would like to remind you the charges against him are pretty serious and could potentially ruin the guys life which if he has a family would be a double edged sword. If it was road rage and he just had a terrible day and offers an apology consider accepting it and ask that he go to driving school, volunteer at some bike races and take some anger management. He made a mistake, now see if he will try to rectify it. I'd almost go out on the whim and after a cool down period try to get the sheriff to offer the option if he doesn't.

Stay safe on the roads,
Nick
WHAT!?!?!?!rollo tommassi
Sep 9, 2003 9:35 PM
"Ruin HIS life"??? People like that need to get their heads screwed on straight, and if it takes a little time in the pokey to accomplish that, then so be it! People who have 'bad days' do NOT go out and intentionally maim and murder. This guy is a LOONEY and his so-called family would be better off without him. Better to get this guy off the road - either way he won't kill anyone, beat his wife, or piss on his dog.
No way.PseuZQ
Sep 9, 2003 10:12 PM
If someone buzzes me going my same direction, and it's too close for my comfort level, I'd get over it. If someone yelled, "Get off the road, B***!" I'd get over that, too.
But a game of chicken like this is just bullcrap. What if the guy had misjudged? Then we'd most likely be reading about another truck v. car fatality. Worse yet, what if he misjudges next time? Trick is to make sure there is no "next time." I think there are times when you can let stupid road rage behavior ride, but this clearly is not one of them. My theory, and my practice when I ride, is no escalation, ever. But this is WAY different.

I suspect (and I am totally making this up because I am not psychic) is that this type of aggressive behavior is the tip of the iceberg. This driver is probably a complete F-up in every aspect of his life: a stain on his community, a deadbeat, an STD carrier, inbred and genetically challenged, and has probably gotten his *ss kicked at a bar multiple times.

"Ruining his life" would simply be advancing things to their most logical conclusion.
You've got to be kidding......tirider
Sep 9, 2003 10:58 PM
... I don't think this calls for a group hug. He could have killed you. Frankly, had I found his truck, I'd have forgotten to call the police and handled it a bit more severely myself. This type of person's life deserves to be ruined.
You've been watching too much of that red dwarf episode.....Synchronicity
Sep 10, 2003 12:09 AM
......where rimmer gets his anger taken from him by the floating alien lifeforms. Anger management indeed. Next you'll be saying:
"Let's get some T-shirts printed up with various anti-aggression slogans printed on them - or better yet - hit him with a major AND I MEAN MAJOR..... leaflet campain..."

Come on sprint-nick, the bastard nearly killed someone. He did it on purpose. No amount of anger management course are gonna do him any good. He's one of society's losers, on the tail-end of the bell-curve of intelligent life, so-to-speak.

WHEN are some of you people going to realise that there are some real nasty people out there???!!!

Congrats dude for pressing charges. Hope he gets whats coming to him. It might not even teach him a lesson, but at least it is payback for hassling you.
You must be f'n crazy??!!lemmy999
Sep 10, 2003 3:58 AM
You would be doing his family a favor if you put him away. I have had some really bad days lately and I don't go around trying to kill people are threatening people. That is just NOT an excuse. What crime is sufficient for punishment if an apology is offered?
Sorry Nick, you're way off base...loki_1
Sep 10, 2003 6:13 AM
people need to be accountable for their actions, bad day or not.
fk/n apologist! (nm)The Human G-Nome
Sep 10, 2003 8:09 AM
I understand your mad but...pedalruns
Sep 10, 2003 6:37 PM
But I would like to remind you the charges against him are pretty serious and could potentially ruin the guys life which if he has a family would be a double edged sword.

OK, BUT WHAT IF HE WOULD HAVE HIT THIS GUY!! Talk about ruin a life and his families.... HE WAS TRYING TO HIT THIS GUY ON PURPOSE!! (at least by his account) This guy needs to be held accountable for his actions... And it is one thing to make a mistake... Like the lady did in Houston and killed to cyclist... But to do it on purpose.. road rage or not is completely inexcusible... Whether it was against a cyclist or someone walking, repairing a car or whatever...

I think this guy is very right in pressing charges..
What about the rider's family? He coulda killed him!jtlmd
Sep 10, 2003 7:43 PM
I don't buy it.............Len J
Sep 10, 2003 2:59 AM
I suspect (although I could be wrong) that this didn't really happen tghe way it was described. You did a good job of story creation until the fatal flaw in your story........."with a closing speed of about 95 miles an hour".....and......."he missed me by a foot then leaned out his window and told me to get off the fing road or he'd shoot me". Sorry, some one passing you oncoming at 70 (or 75 mph (95 minus the 20 you were doing before you "stopped" on the shoulder.) who yelled anything would be at best, unintelligable, let alone being able to hear & understand a 9 word sentenance. Exageration at best, fabrication at worst.

If it did happen exactly the way you describe, then I agree with pressing charges.

If what you describe is a gross exagerattion, then I would guess that pressing charges is probably not warrented, and such charges will get dismissed when someone examines your story closer.

If it is a fabrication, then you are contributing to an us (cyclists) vs them (drivers) attitude. This helps no one deal with real issues.

Len
I don't buy it.............Len J
Sep 10, 2003 3:00 AM
I suspect (although I could be wrong) that this didn't really happen the way it was described. You did a good job of story creation until the fatal flaw in your story........."with a closing speed of about 95 miles an hour".....and......."he missed me by a foot then leaned out his window and told me to get off the fing road or he'd shoot me". Sorry, some one passing you oncoming at 70 (or 75 mph (95 minus the 20 you were doing before you "stopped" on the shoulder.) who yelled anything would be at best, unintelligable, let alone being able to hear & understand a 9 word sentenance. Exageration at best, fabrication at worst.

If it did happen exactly the way you describe, then I agree with pressing charges.

If what you describe is a gross exagerattion, then I would guess that pressing charges is probably not warrented, and such charges will get dismissed when someone examines your story closer.

If it is a fabrication, then you are contributing to an us (cyclists) vs them (drivers) attitude. This helps no one deal with real issues.

Len
I don't buy it.............xcmntgeek
Sep 10, 2003 4:18 AM
Obviously the speeds are estimates, but regardless (60, 70, 80, ect) he still would have killed me. Yes, I will press the full extent of charges.
Rings true to me, LenDale Brigham
Sep 10, 2003 6:14 AM
I also live in Missouri, I coach the young cyclist who sent this account, and I believe and trust him 100%. I have ridden with him in his home area, and it's as bad as he describes it to be. White trash cruising around in jalopies and rusted pickups. Highest concentration of meth labs in the whole country. Low income, low education-level, no-hopers looking to take out their many life-long frustrations (crummy job, stupid kids, fat wife, etc.) on a handy victim, the road cyclist.

I have lived all over the country, and rural MO is as bad as it gets for road cyclists. Just as everywhere else, most folks are just fine, but here, there are simply more wackos per mile. Just be glad you live somewhere else.

Dale
As a fellow Missourian...funknuggets
Sep 10, 2003 7:25 AM
I can also agree with the relative non-acceptance of cyclists on rural roads in some areas, but it is not prolific. Can I ask where exactly this was? I have found two really bad pockets, one slightly north and south east of Jefferson City and another about 20 miles east of Springfield. I have had numerous episodes there. However, I live in the hotbed of meth labs, Independence, and have had perhaps ONE incident in the last three years of note. So, what I am saying is that it is an individual thing and ridding the world (or changing the behavior) of such people will benefit us all.

However, what is more likely to happen. Your word against his, no known witnesses I imagine... so, at most a reduced charge of reckess driving if that, small fine. So nothing really happens... he tells his screwball friends what happened and all of a sudden you have a whole pack of mulletards aiming for cyclists, throwing half empty cans of pabst and veering out of their way to get ya... I just want to know where NOT to ride. I know Dale is in Columbia, hopefully it isn't around there...

Chris
Okay. Missouri is crossed off my list of places to live. nmKristin
Sep 10, 2003 7:52 AM
Not that it was every very high up there. I believe it gets colder than the Artic there.
Incident was west of St. Louis (Franklin Co.)Dale Brigham
Sep 10, 2003 10:19 AM
Chris:

Man, Jackson Co. has to step up it's game if it wants to be a real contender in the Missouri Meth Lab Olympics. Jasper Co. (SW MO) leads the pack with 177 labs seized in 2002, with Franklin Co. (where the incident occurred) solidly in the silver (2nd) position at 152. Jackson Co. (KC and thereabouts) is pathetically out of the top five slots of "MO Meth" counties at a meager 112 labs seized. You guys need to get cookin' if you want to play with the big boys.

The area east and north of Jefferson City you cited for inhospitality toward cyclists is Callaway Co., AKA "the Kingdom of Callaway," where they not only refuse to believe that the Civil War is over, they think they are winning it. Alas, most of the rural residents ("hill-dwelling Missourians") therein are too ignorant or lazy to produce meth -- Callaway Co. registered only 36 meth labs seized in 2002. They never will be a contender with those stats.

Link to 2002 Missouri meth lab seizure map:
http://www.mshp.state.mo.us/ibi_html/cj55/html/Drug_Lab_Map_2002.pdf

Dale
Dale, Please...funknuggets
Sep 10, 2003 11:00 AM
Dude, you kill me. That Pleasantville (Boone County) you live in has skewed your brain.

You say SEIZED. Like the sheriffs and such in Jasper or Franklin have near the things to do other than bust in on poor unsuspecting meth labs. What else do the villagers have to do? What industry do they have other than the power plant or the convenience store? We here in the metro have murders, drive bys, rapes, molestations, catholic priests, kidnappings... lah de dah... every single day. Here, Police are understaffed and have too much to do. Plus, our boyz here are gooood. They have mobile meth labs(ala Saddam) and are just more advanced and sneaky then those dumb butts over there on the other sides of the state. I will put our meth-labs against those any day.

Calaway county... ahhh, the memories. Nothing like the roads around Fulton... arrrgh. Although, Hwy 94 from JC to Herman is a fun ride of epic hills and long flats.
Actually, I'm glad to hear it.............Len J
Sep 10, 2003 7:47 AM
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I too have been exposed to agressivly dangerous drivers. I may just be oversensitive to the troll factor.

Sorry if I overreacted.

Len
No prob, Bro! It's sounds incredible -- it's S.O.P. in MO (nm)Dale Brigham
Sep 10, 2003 10:23 AM
I'm more worried about the black helicopters (nm)Snowbird
Sep 10, 2003 3:39 AM
that's why I always ride with tinfoil under my helmethokie_biker
Sep 10, 2003 5:18 AM
now if they just made coolmax tinfoil I'd be all set.

btw I use a titanium/magnesium composite foil when I race to save a few extra grams and still reflect the evil penetrating brain rays.
that's why I always ride with tinfoil under my helmetZyzbot
Sep 10, 2003 5:32 AM
You guys need to go to this site:

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

It has evetything you need to prevent dreaded mind control!
re: Trust me, they really are out to kill youc722061
Sep 10, 2003 5:15 AM
I live in Missouri and I know how bad it is for riding. I encountered many negative remarks from drivers/teenagers but none was life threatening as in your case. You should follow up with your charges and get that A*&@#le in jail. Which part of MO do you live so I can avoid that area.
re: Trust me, they really are out to kill youFatnslow
Sep 10, 2003 5:39 AM
You're a better person than I am. If it really did happen the way you describe, I wouldn't bother with the police. I would have administered a little "street justice" with a sawed-off baseball bat and an SPD cleat to the forehead.

Maybe its a good thing it didn't happen to me...I really need to see someone about my temper.

In any case, do everything in your power to destroy this guy's life. A threat of murder should ALWAYS be taken seriously.
Waren countyxcmntgeek
Sep 10, 2003 5:50 PM
Yea, it was tempting. After I got off the phone with the cops I called some riding friends who live in the area to help me find the truck. We did find it parked a mere 2 miles from the incident. But, I found a happy place and drive away (then I had to keep my dad from driving over there once he found out).
Like Dale said, I live in Franklin county; but the incident occured in Waren county. Oddly enough, I was only a few miles away from our old state championship course (in Augusta for you locals). The terrain around here is great, if you like hills. Dale can attest to that after a minor detour (my fault) that led us on a 125K tromp through the coutry side.
It takes a village to raise a redneck.Sen_Hillary
Sep 10, 2003 6:17 AM
Society as a whole has failed him. It is not his own fault. We need to let the government raise our children. This is exactly what happens when parents are allowed to raise their kids their own way. How many more must almost die?

Hillary in 2004
Correct way of handling the situation - Thanksbimini
Sep 10, 2003 6:41 AM
By avoiding the confrontation and going dirrectly to the police you handled it well.

If the matter goes to court, it will be your word versus the driver. If you behaved well and the driver did not it will help the case. Stay away and do not have contact with the ahole. It will only hurt the case.

Let us know what happens. Let's hope that it results in one less lowlife on the road.
Intersting.........the idea of being vindictiveCARBON110
Sep 10, 2003 6:53 AM
Now, lets say you lost your ability to maintain coherant cognitive thought and judgemnt. I'd press charges and tonight sneak over there at 230am and dump a pound of sugar in his gas tank LOL!. A guy like that probably doesnt have alot of friends. Some sugar in the tank will keep his arse off the road for awhile...and cost him some $$ for a new engine...actually I dont recommend it since if you get caught you will be in more trouble then he is and we need more roadies on the road...but it would might make you feel better :D

There is a guy in town here that has a sticker on his truck that says "I pave over cyclists" This is something a few of the locals have thought about doing since we all know where he lives. Either that or just putting a bag over his head and beating him profusely LOL!
What a chicken.......you should have rammed him.MR_GRUMPY
Sep 10, 2003 6:44 AM
Just think of all the trouble you could have caused him.
That's kinda what I did...Dwayne Barry
Sep 10, 2003 7:09 AM
riding home after a hard workout, wide road with wide shoulder and two kids (really teenagers) on BMX bikes are coming the opposite way with a couple of girls who are walking. So I move over next to the white line and one of the punks moves over in my line. O.K. I move over onto the white line, he matches my move. Look back, no cars, move into the lane of traffic and punk comes out into the lane, now I'm about 20 yards away. Just as I'm about get to him, he swerves (I hold my line) back into the shoulder, but I had raised my right hand off my handlebars and called him a stupid MF, as if I would hit him or something. So maybe he swerved a little sharper than he intended (and he was going downhill)? Anyway, I hear some commotion as i'm turning to look back and the dumb*ss took it all the way across the shoulder and has hit the curb I assume, becuase his bike is lying up against it and he's pushing himself up from his elbows onto his hands (basically sitting up on the curb). Then his "friends" turn-around and start laughing at him as I'm riding away.
Good moveMR_GRUMPY
Sep 10, 2003 9:04 AM
I've had the same thing happen to me, with kids riding on the wrong side of the road. Usually if you jump and sprint right at them, they'll get the massage that you aren't some sissy in tight shorts.
Now that you know where he lives....Alexx
Sep 10, 2003 3:47 PM
go there some night, wearing gloves, and carrying a 4-way lugwrench. Remove all his lugnuts, and put his hubcaps back on. He'll have one interesting morning, I guarantee you.
BWAHAHahaha ha ha ha ha.........!!!Synchronicity
Sep 10, 2003 4:59 PM
Remove the lugnuts............... and put his hubcaps back on!! Argh ha ha ha!! Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

Or if you're feeling like McGyver, you could simply whip up a batch of aluminium & rust powders (thermite) and melt a great big hole all the way through his bonnet with all that dripping molten iron! Yeah.