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Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. frame(20 posts)

Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. framejzinckgra
Sep 9, 2003 9:31 AM
I'm currently riding a Klein QPro, which has been and still is my favorite bike. Super stiff and great on acceleration and very responsive on the hills and out of the saddle. I was looking at getting another aluminum framset and have started narrowing down the list to:
1)another Klein (maybe QP team, with CF seatstays)
2) Coppi
3) Cocci
4) Pinarello Prince series
5) ????
Since I already have a Klein I am having second thoughts about getting another one, hence my other choices. So my question is this: I really want a very stiff frame that responds similarily to my Klein. I've been looking at a lot of the alum bikes that also have either the CF rear triangle or just CF seatstays. I've got nothing against CF, but I have a full CF Calfee that is no where near as responsive on both the hills and out of the saddle as my KLein. I'm a little worried that getting an alum. frame with even just CF seatstays will decrease the stifness and responsiveness of the ride. I know the CF seatstays help to dampen the ride a little, but if the tradeoff is a less stiff frame (and probably harsher ride), then I'd rather go full alum. Any of you guys either own or have ridden alum. bikes with either full CF rear triangle or CF seatstays? How does it compare to all alum framesets? I'm not interested in a soft and comfortable ride (I already get that with the Calfee), but more so with the stiffness of the frame, especially in the BB. Thanks for any suggestions/advice.
CF difference = question of religionterry b
Sep 9, 2003 9:35 AM
Two bikes I ride. Both V107 aluminum, both have Velomax wheels, Chorus, the same saddle, same tires, one has an aluminum seatpost, the other carbon.

One has CF stays, one does not.

In my experience - no difference.
go test ride a new Klein!andy02
Sep 9, 2003 10:00 AM
I don't like to change things too much once I find something that fits me well. If I were you I would test a new Klein and see if you it feels less then you expect. If I were set on Alu I would get an orbea or a Klein (better choice I think)
Mercx Team SCNo_sprint
Sep 9, 2003 10:16 AM
Right now I've got two bikes built and racing. Klein Quantum Pro and Ciocc 7005. The Klein is the best bike I've ridden yet for the type of riding and racing I do. With my carbon tubies I put it on the scale right after racing it about a month ago. 16 pounds on the dot. Rec10, SLR, 52cm. :)

If you go with another alu, I'd strongly recommend scandium. All three you mention are nice but I'd opt for the Mercx over them all. Another one to look at is the DeRosa.
Mercx Team SCj-son
Sep 9, 2003 8:11 PM
My wife got me a Merckx Team Sc as an early 30th birthday present. Absolutely superlative bike ... For me, it's perfect in every dimension. If, and only if, the Merckx geo. works for you I know you will adore it.
Nice gift!! (nm)jtferraro
Sep 10, 2003 10:31 AM
re: Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. frameBulldozer
Sep 9, 2003 11:40 AM
Cinelli Aliante would be another to consider.
What about a CAAD 7? (nm)jtferraro
Sep 9, 2003 11:50 AM
What about a CAAD 7? (nm)Grahamalicious
Sep 9, 2003 12:24 PM
Why not find one of those older so stiff your fillings shake loose c'dales ?
Yeah, model 2.8 wasn't it? ouch! nmNo_sprint
Sep 9, 2003 12:46 PM
What about a CAAD 5?Sao
Sep 9, 2003 2:33 PM
Sure it's a year or two old, but it's virtually the same weight as a more expensive CAAD 7 and numerous people on this board have commented that the two rides are almost identical.

AND it is less expensive. I've seen a bunch of CAAD 5 frames for sale on for very reasonable prices.
re: Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. framegeeker
Sep 9, 2003 12:17 PM
I'm a skeptic re. carbon stays. In high-end aluminum, I'm also concerned about frame lifetime for some of the ultra-light alloys (eg Starship). Cannondale and Orbea offer lifetime warranties afaik, so I'd consider them (don't know about Specialized's warranty, but don't care for compact geometry anyway). Orbea seems to offer value relative to other Euro brands. I dig Pegoretti frames (have ordered a steel GGM), so among short-warranty Euro brands, maybe the Fina Estampa. Fondriest USA seems to be offering good deals, but I don't know anything about the frames.
Casatis's on clearance right now at ExcelThe Human G-Nome
Sep 9, 2003 12:50 PM
those things are absolutely gorgeous! that would be my choice.
Yep, purty. Although I'd be tempted by the dream plusdjg
Sep 9, 2003 12:54 PM
deal for 880 bucks at total.
re: Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. frameMShaw
Sep 9, 2003 1:07 PM
You could go custom: Tiemeyer will build you whatever you want out of AL... ditto for Russ Denny (google search both, they have websites) for about the same or less than what you'd pay for f/f elsewhere.

I have a Denny-built frame and love it. One friend has a Tiemeyer 'cause he'd built even more like a gorilla than I am.

As an added bonus, you know it is YOUR bike. Your angles, sizes, etc. no one elses. Bad for resale, but great when you're racing/riding it.

That help?

Russ DennyNo_sprint
Sep 9, 2003 1:12 PM
One of my teammates has got one of his frames. He really likes it. I don't know much about him so I didn't mention it above. I'm not sure about exactly what materials he'll use. My teammates' rig has got a carve carbon seatstay on it. It's a pretty sweet rig. Denny's in San Diego, CA I think.
re: Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. framerussw19
Sep 9, 2003 3:43 PM
If you are going to look at a Pinarello Prince, you should also check out an Opera Leonardo. Opera bikes are a spinoff company from Pinarello. Pinarello signed a contract to use exclusively Dedaccia tubing and so now that they want to try new stuff they had to start a new company, Opera bikes. The Leonardo is a sweet bike, not too many around the states so if you want something different... and they are built to the same quality of Pinarello, which I don't think any here could argue as anything but top notch. The Opera Leonardo is also cheaper than the Prince. Check them out, they are sweet.

De Rosa Merak. No contest, (not the bendy 2004 one tho')nmCat 3 boy
Sep 10, 2003 1:12 AM
Thanks guysjzinckgra
Sep 10, 2003 5:25 AM
re: Decisions, Decisions. Advice on buying high end alum. frameal0
Sep 10, 2003 9:03 AM
Why not Specialized S-Works?