|I can't even afford Chorus anymore.||Iluvmybike|
Sep 9, 2003 8:34 AM
|Has anyone taken a look at the new MSRP of the 2004 Campagnolo line? I have ridden Record 10 since it came out knowing that I might have a hard time replacing it due to cost. This year, I won't even consider it.
This is taken from Campy Only.
August 13, 2003--OK, you want prices for the 2004 lineup? Try these, which reflect the MSRP for components purchased in Europe. (Prices in the US will be higher, due to import costs, and may fluctuate depending on the value of the dollar as compared to the Euro).
> Record rear derailleur: $320US
> Chorus rear derailleur: $222US
> Record carbon crankset:$736US
> Chorus carbon crankset: $603US
> Record bottle cage (each): $123US
> Chorus bottle cage (each): $73US
I just kind of figured that I would go to Chorus on my next bike, but I might be priced out of that line after looking at the cost of the rear derailleur. It looks like Centaur will be on my next bike. Anyone else feel this way?
|Chorus 10 groupset $919, DA 9 groupset $959||No_sprint|
Sep 9, 2003 8:40 AM
|Who cares if it's not 2004 for a Chorus groupset? What's going to change? I don't think much will.
This is the entire enchilada, chain, hubs, cassette, everything.
|Chorus 10 groupset $919, DA 9 groupset $959||Iluvmybike|
Sep 9, 2003 8:43 AM
|True, but you won't be able to purchase 2003 Chorus groupsets much longer, and I am not crazy about buying used.|
|a bunch does change||sievers11|
Sep 9, 2003 9:08 AM
|Carbon trickles down from Record|
|For the worse, IMHO...||Fez|
Sep 9, 2003 12:47 PM
|The changes I have seen seem much more cosmetic than functional. The current Chorus is very pretty looking. It worked pretty damn good. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
Carbon offers minimal weight savings, bigger pricetag. And the finish isn't nearly as durable to scrapes or crashes. Add to that I don't really care for the look of the carbon versus the polished alloy.
|Where have we gone wrong?..||Marketing Dept|
Sep 9, 2003 9:09 AM
|I am not retro-grouch by no means, I have bought a new bike on average every year to year and a half. I just like having a new bike and trading off my used ones.
But I have to draw the line now. I have been cycling since the early 80's and remember complaining about $750.00 for a C-Record equipted Pinnarello.
It boils down to supply and demand, a philosophy I admire to no end. At least until in affects my wallet in a negative way.
What we need here is a third player. Why doesn't SRAM get (back) into the road component groups? Come on Ritchey, throw your hat in. Kuddos for Modolo for giving it a try, keep it up!
BTW, I have pre-ordered the new Dura-Ace group. I can't wait to attach it to my 5500 OCLV. Now I need to get back to the classifieds to see if I can find a part-time to support my sickness.
|we are part of the problem||DaveG|
Sep 9, 2003 9:18 AM
|I think this is supply and demand working here, but I'm not sure a 3rd player would bring down prices much. The high-end enthusiast bike market demands the latest trickest, ultra-lightest components - carbon levers, ti parts, chi-chi wheels etc. These things drive the cost up. To a degree that helps the market appeal for those that strive for exclusivity. You can get much of the performance at a lower cost by simply buying a "lesser" group like Centaur. But, first you need to convince yourself that you really do not need Record|
|Nobody NEEDS Record||ColnagoFE|
Sep 9, 2003 9:29 AM
|Come on now. What is the weight diff between Chorus and Record? Very little. Functionally none. If anything Chorus is more durable. Advertisers give Record to pros to use to get schmucks like you and me to buy it.|
|You are correct, we need Dura Ace!! :)nm||Marketing Dept|
Sep 9, 2003 9:36 AM
|Nobody NEEDS Record||gf99|
Sep 9, 2003 11:03 AM
|But we wants it, we wants it, don't we precious?
Sep 9, 2003 9:24 AM
|I'd love to see SRAM get back into the road component business (and have even dropped some hints on a couple of rides with SRAM personnel earlier this year). Their chains are great products and the new R9 cassette looks to be a winner. SRAM seems to dabble in certain products. For example - V Brakes, front derailleurs, hubs, etc. They just re-introduced a trigger shifter for 2004 for the MTB market. maybe that technology will translate over to the road market?|
|shimano & campy are NOT the only ones...........--->>||Synchronicity|
Sep 9, 2003 3:45 PM
You might have to select italian to begin with, then change to english to be able to see the "supertype" parts.
My friends, that "primato" is a lovely group. I mean the cranks are nicer than EITHER dura-ace or record. The brakes look nice too. It uses centaur derailleurs & ergolevers. It all looks pretty nice to me: seatpost, BB, etc.
Record is too pricey for me now. Just hope my current record parts last and last. :-)
|Do you replace your components every year?||Spunout|
Sep 9, 2003 9:25 AM
|this is going to get expensive.
Of course, you realise that 2003 Record is rendered inoperative in the peloton if someone else is riding a bike with 2004 Record in said peleton.
My answer: All Chorus and re-build it annually.
Your better answer: Get Centaur if you want to complain.
|is the Euro up? partial explanation...? nm||DougSloan|
Sep 9, 2003 9:26 AM
|...nope. $US down ;-) (Canuck perspective). nm||Spunout|
Sep 9, 2003 9:29 AM
|unfortunately there is a lot of Truth here||bimini|
Sep 9, 2003 10:58 AM
|The dollar is way down. Which causes the prices of the imports to go up.
Too bad there is not a US company in the parts game. With the dollar being so weak it would be a bargin. Unless the dollar improve (or China enters the parts game) we can all expect to pay more. The importers are just using the new year as a way to make up some of the ground they lost due to the weak dollar.
|fear not, shimano 105 is highly underrated nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Sep 9, 2003 9:48 AM
|just say no||tarwheel|
Sep 9, 2003 10:28 AM
|All those carbon fanatics are to blame. Campy is "upgrading" a bunch of Chorus parts to carbon -- including shift levers, rear derailleur and seatpost. In my view it's a downgrade, both in terms of durability and price. They get away with it because shmucks keep buying the stuff. Hopefully you'll be able to buy the old metal Chorus groups for a while.|
Sep 9, 2003 10:50 AM
|The last time I bought a road bike I equipped it with C-Record ( mid-'80's)and loved that stuff, still do.
I have bought other bikes since then and have various Shimano groups ( mtn and 105), I have to say the 105 on my Cross bike works - REALLY well.
I just bought a new bike ( see post below) and frankly decided that Record was not only not in my budget range but was not even designed for my use.
I also realized that I do not even NEED Chorus - as nice as it would be.
Instead, on my new bike I have done the following:
Chorus Bottom Bracket and Hubs
Crankset, front and rear derailleurs and shifters - Centaur
For some of the other things that in my younger years I would have gone "has to be record" I have now gone elsewhere, for instance the seatpost - Selcof.
The Centaur will last me the rest of my riding life and will perform as well as Chorus or Record, just heavier. Sure I may have to do more maintenance or replace some parts but it will do anything I want.
The final tab on my new purchase was very reasonable - certainly more so than had I said "all Record" or "all Chorus".
I like Record and I like Chorus but they are not for me anymore.
Sep 9, 2003 9:15 PM
|You run Centaur cranks on a Chorus BB?|
Sep 10, 2003 4:43 AM
|I run a centaur/chorus mix and it works well. Centaur shifters [lighter than DA!] chainwheels/crank, front derailleur, chorus [aluminum] rear der. and hubs. I don't like chorus brakes - went with mavic; don't like campy bb's - went with phil's generic ti. I really do not like the look of the carbon parts - I guess I'm just out-dated.|
|..very good performance, Chorus differential brakes IMHO. nm||Spunout|
Sep 10, 2003 5:49 AM
|re: I can't even afford Chorus anymore.||geeker|
Sep 9, 2003 11:16 AM
|" just kind of figured that I would go to Chorus on my next bike, but I might be priced out of that line after looking at the cost of the rear derailleur. It looks like Centaur will be on my next bike. Anyone else feel this way?"
I got the impression, reading rec.bicycles.tech, that 2004 Chorus will be essentially the same as 2003 Record, and priced accordingly. That definitely puts it out of my range. Note that Veloce is adding a 10 speed group for 2004.
Depending on the prices, technical details/improvements for 2004, and availability of "old" 2003 groups, I'll choose between 2004 Veloce-10, 2003 and 2004 Centaur-10, and 2003 Chorus-10.
|Veloce works very well, surpasses 105 IMHO.||Spunout|
Sep 10, 2003 3:36 AM
|Campagnolo has the very good habit of making low end groups perform remarkably like high end groups, it is only the weights and finishes that may be different. Oh, and the BB Ergolevers are a bit more positive feeling.
FWIW, I use Mirage hubs on my training wheels, best deal out there.