|broken campy 10 chain||blownpupil|
Sep 7, 2003 3:30 PM
|Broke my C10 chain today! Never happened to me before. (I am builtlike a stick at 160 lbs, and have never broken anything on a bike before, even after crashing). small front chainring/middle rear cog, going up not-too-tough hill at the time (IE: chainline was Ok)
Plate looked warped at end where rivet came out when I looked at it. Removed the link, rode home. I then rode around the block a few times, and the chain snapped again! (the original break point had been excised).
Does Campy make weak chains?
Are all 10speed chains this weak after so little milage?
Is there a heavier duty 10sp chain I should replace it with?
|Did you go down?||Live Steam|
Sep 7, 2003 3:40 PM
|That must have been a real eye opener. Did the sub pin pull out? I weigh about 173 and haven't had any problems ... yet? As for a heavier chain, you can try the Conex Wipperman 10 speed chain.|
|I crashed mine a while back and...||Bill is in Denver|
Sep 7, 2003 3:59 PM
|about 50 miles after the crash the chain develeped a link that just wouldn't pivot anymore. I just assumed I damaged it in the fall.
|Not fully agreed consensus||Kerry Irons|
Sep 7, 2003 4:35 PM
|The general feeling is that broken Campy chains are due to the installation job, not the chain. Are you saying it broke (both times?) someplace other than where the special link was installed? If that is the case, then you got a defective chain. If it broke at the special link, many will tell you there was a problem with the install.|
Sep 7, 2003 4:50 PM
|The C10 chain on this P4 let go after about 4k miles. I routinely measure chain stretch and even after the break, the chain measures 1/16" of stretch over 30", so the durability was actually surprising. But the HD-Link popped and I'm a pedestrian (no spill)..
I have hauled my 170 lb. carcass over a fair amount of elevation, though in my advancing years, I don't break equipment nearly as much as I used to. I use the Campy chain tool (an admittedly expensive indulgence) to install chains and am pretty careful about it for the usual reasons.. http://www.campagnolo.com/pdf/C10HD_L_CHAIN.pdf
So I'm a bit curious about the durability of the 2004 hollow pin chain; it certainly won't be cheaper.. I would think that increased expense would be proportional to durability, but that is on the
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|wow||The Human G-Nome|
Sep 7, 2003 4:55 PM
|all you need is the matching CF bib-shorts and CF waterbottles and you're set. she's pretty (but i'd imagine pretty dern expensive!)|
|C10 Chain||Live Steam|
Sep 7, 2003 5:06 PM
|I have been using the Wipperman Conex link with the Campy chain and getting very good results. The shifting is still as crisp as it was with the sub pin. The link fits perfectly and I love having the ability to remove the chain at any time without a tool and without compromising the integrity of the chain.|
|wow, that's a lot of carbon||ChazWicked|
Sep 8, 2003 9:23 AM
|DaYomm, that bike must float uphills.... assuming the chain doesn't break ;^)|
|re: broken campy 10 chain||blownpupil|
Sep 7, 2003 7:00 PM
|i'm not sure that i know this special link you've mentioned.
What are other 10speed chain options for campy chorus?
|Here ya' go :O)||Live Steam|
Sep 7, 2003 8:21 PM
Look for "connectors" in the menu!
|How many miles on the chain? Did it break at install point?||Spunout|
Sep 8, 2003 3:35 AM
|I've changed mine after 4000km. I use a regular old park tool to install, and have not had problems.
When you think about it, a narrower chain should be stronger because of the shorter axis of the pins. That said, I'll stay away from the hollow pin chain.
|How many miles on the chain? Did it break at install point?||blownpupil|
Sep 8, 2003 5:23 AM
|600-700 miles on chain.
the chain was installed by shop at first build up (ie, first chain ever on the bike, never removed, never gave a hint of a problem until its acute total failure.
|Take it back to the shop, warranty. They f&#ked up. nm||Spunout|
Sep 8, 2003 5:42 AM
|ask how the chain was joined...||C-40|
Sep 8, 2003 5:53 AM
|You don't see this often, but some shops are so STUPID that they do not follow Campy's instructions and properly join the chain with either the HD-L pin or the permalink (or use a Wipperman connex link). Assembling the chain in the normal manner without a special pin or link is asking for trouble.
The side plates of the 10 speed chain are much thinner than a 9 speed chain and the pins do not protrude from the sideplates. Once a pin is pushed out, the peening on the end of the pin is destroyed. There is nothing left on one end of the pin to hold it in place after reassembly.
I've been using the Campy 10 chain since it was first introduced almost 4 years ago and never had a problem, but my chains have always been properly joined. I get the same long life from the 10 speed chain as any other.
|re: broken campy 10 chain =-me too||brian n|
Sep 8, 2003 6:03 AM
I broke my campy 10 chain about 15 months after i bought it. It broke during some uphill sprint intervals and sent me down to the top tube in a hurry. i replaced it with the Wipperman and it was quite awesome, until I broke it about a year afterwards. So now still use the wippermans but will plan on a replacement every season. BTW, I AM 6'4" and 200 lbs, so I don't think it is a quality or durability issue, I tend to put a good amount of torque on drivetrains. Couple in that Most of my training is for Track sprinting and racing, and you get accelerated wear.
ps- the wipperman has felt more smooth than the campy, and i think it shifted a bit faster/quiter as well. i run them on my mtb now as well.
|15 months? You're asking for it! Big guy= faster wear. nm||Spunout|
Sep 8, 2003 6:06 AM
|I've broken 2||ColnagoFE|
Sep 8, 2003 7:30 AM
|One I had a permalink replaced with a snap link and it lasted a while longer. the other i just trashed after it failed while climbing (cobbled it together with a standard chain tool and no link to get home) and am currently using a c-10 with the second generation permalink. no problems so far.|
|I guess I've been very lucky||ChazWicked|
Sep 8, 2003 9:39 AM
|I run the C10 and, in attempt to keep the drivetrain lasting longer, I rotate 3 chains. Every 2 months I swap to the next one. I've just installed each one old school with a rivoli and just pushing the pin in without special anything. Not smart but after growing up doing that all the time, it's hard to accept that it's no longer the way.
In any case, I've had no breaks and I beat the crap out of my equipment. Yes this may be considered absurd for most but I'm running record on my cross bike and it gets covered in mud more often than not. I got 18 months out of the whole system: 3 chains, cogset, middle & granny gear. A shop tried to tell me not to bother buying the rings as they "never wear out". I took a spin around the block with the old middle ring and the sounds it made were really ugly with the new chain/cogs. Alas I didn't take their advice and had the rings on hand. yeah.
I think I'll pick up a wipperman link and just celebrate that I didn't eat it on a sprint with an exploding chain.
btw, I, for one, hope that they still make a good old fashioned solid-pin chain. I suppose you would save a ton of weight. First there'd be the .392 grams off the chain. Second there'd be the 3 *pounds* of flesh left on the pavement. Rapid weight loss... sweet.