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Building a dream shop: Recommendations.(40 posts)

Building a dream shop: Recommendations.OldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 6:39 AM
Long story short, we're building a substantial new barn on my farm, and it's going to be close enough to the house that it'll be convenient enough to include a shop (my other, older barns are way yonder far away).

Never had a dedicated shop before. I want to get the barn/shop finished before winter sets in

Assume cost is not an issue. How would you design your dream shop? Size, shape, accomodations, big tools, whatever. Dream big. I'm gonna spend a lot of time there in my retirement.
think rubbermohair_chair
Sep 5, 2003 6:45 AM
Pour a concrete floor, then rubberize it. I don't know what the tradenames are, but it's anti-slip stuff that also makes cleanup easy.

Bolt a shop quality stand into the floor. Don't bother with the cheap portables.

If you have Campy stuff, get the full set of Campy tools. My local LBS is extremely proud of their set, which they claim cost them about $5,000.

A 5.1 sound system is required.

Beer cooler.

Don't forget the mirror on the ceiling.
What's is going to be used for??PaulCL
Sep 5, 2003 6:48 AM
Personally, any shop that I built would be primarily for woodworking with a place to stash my bikes away from sawdust. Is this going to be a bike shop only??

If its' a bike shop, then go for cut pile carpet. Plain concrete gets real cold in the winter. Have lots of pegboards for tools, a sink to clean up your greasy hands, and room for cycling-related girly calendars on the wall. I would also have a small air compressor to clean my stuff. A phone, a toilet, a stereo, a TV, a barca-lounger would all be necessities too.

Paul

P.S. I'm just assuming that you, of all people, will have a fully stocked bar in any cave...er...shop. Have fun designing it.
I don't dream muchSteve_0
Sep 5, 2003 6:48 AM
Lista Cabinetry for all hand-tools, odds, and ends.
Car Lift
Bike Lift
Compressor
Heat
Stereo
Fridge with beer.

Table saw and woodworking tools belong in another room, of course.
Good thinking about woodworking. That's oneOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 6:53 AM
key decision. The shop will be divided into two rooms: Bike/mechanical and woodworking.
'sharp' things and dustSteve_0
Sep 5, 2003 6:55 AM
do not belong in the same room as mechanized transport.
Hey Doug, show him your shop pictures! nmnoveread
Sep 5, 2003 6:52 AM
Yeah! I remember being shocked & awed. ItOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 6:54 AM
WOULD be helpful.
note recurring beer fridge theme nmJS Haiku Shop
Sep 5, 2003 6:53 AM
Clearly the centerpiece of any male undertaking andOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 6:56 AM
yes, the beer fridge (with icemaker for Bourbon) is on the premises already.
ps: have you seen Do(u)g's garage?JS Haiku Shop
Sep 5, 2003 6:54 AM
http://www.midcalracing.com/shop/shop.htm
Doug, doug dougSteve_0
Sep 5, 2003 6:58 AM
whats that crescent wrench doing in that otherwise fine collection?
tsk tsk tsk
Doug, doug dougSteve_0
Sep 5, 2003 7:05 AM
whats that crescent wrench doing in that otherwise fine collection?
tsk tsk tsk
had it for 20 years... nmDougSloan
Sep 5, 2003 4:54 PM
actually, I'm totally remodeling right nowDougSloan
Sep 5, 2003 4:53 PM
After working 258 hours in July, and then 325 in August (trial), I've take a couple of days off to remodel the garage. I've added pegboard all around, shelving, and a cabinet base workbench with halogen overhead lights, etc. It's still a work in progress, but when done it will look like a Formula I anal retentative professional mechanics shop, versus my old mad scientist look. (Part of the reasoning was to secure the garage from the young'ins, with sharp tools and poisonous stuff everywhere. Luke was running around grabbing tools...)

I'll post pics when done.

Doug
I made fishing rodslotterypick
Sep 5, 2003 6:59 AM
If you're retiring and going to spend some time, you can build up your own rods, custom to match.

You need a long thin table for the rod holder with clamps to hold the rod while your working on it, then another spot that has the epoxy drying holder with slow spin motor.

You can buy it all and the best part is your rods are all matched.

You buy the Loomis parts for 40% off and build up awesome rods for cheap.

I learned to build patience and it became really neat projects that work. Way better than store bought for power and looks.
Don't forget the TV...biknben
Sep 5, 2003 7:10 AM
It's nice to have something going on in the background while you are wrenching.

A nice comfy couch or big chair is great. Sometimes you want to just sit down and admire your work.
Here's a fine example of how not to do it...rwbadley
Sep 5, 2003 7:14 AM
I started off with good intentions. Over the years the size requirements have not kept pace. Now it's mostly storage, and I use my off-site shop for any 'real' work.

I guess my only solid recommendation would be to have a designated working area, and a larger adjacent area for storage.

The beer/snack fridge is a must. A microwave is handy also. Comfy chairs for relaxing after all that hard work. A wet bar would be nice....
My bike houseterry b
Sep 5, 2003 7:26 AM
not an all around shop per se, but an outbuilding designed specifically for working on bikes.

I too like on a small farm, and have a horse barn with an attached office that serves as my shop. Problem is it's not terribly airtight to the barn portion so it tends to get pretty dirty (due to the wood shavings we bed our horse stalls with.) Decided this year that I need some work/storage space for my bikes, so I ordered a small outbuilding and stole some space from our horse turnout area. The building is 8x16, has windows on the north and west side, a small deck on the front (for appreciating sunsets) and an area behind it with an old picnic table for doing dirty work (chain cleaning, etc.)

I drywalled and insulated the walls but left the ceiling joists exposed to allow easy hanging of wheels and bikes. Built a work bench that spans the entire width. It's about 45" tall to allow me to work standing up (no hunching) and covered with inexpensive vinyl tiles (closeouts at Lowes) that can be cleaned easily. Did the floor in nicer vinyl tiles. I elected not to run permanent power out to it but did wire the inside with a 4-plex box and two neon shop lights that can be plugged into an extension cord run from our permanent barn.

Here's a picture of the workbench end:
2nd picture - stand areaterry b
Sep 5, 2003 7:28 AM
I have the stand in the middle of the room with an old dresser for parts storage. You can also see a little bit
of the dry erase white board I use to write down numbers that I use frequently (torque settings, computer configs.)
3rd pictureterry b
Sep 5, 2003 7:31 AM
Looking at the storage end. Room for 6-8 bikes on simple stands. Oakley poster from Lance's first Tour win as inspiration and a couple of Graham Watson posters on the wall for color.
Hey, this sounds like we're getting in the ballpark.OldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 7:40 AM
I'm TRYING to keep the horses out of this barn, but I fear it'll turn into a giant foaling stall next spring. Basically I want to use it for storage/shop.

Do you wish you had more room, or is 8x16 adequate? The way my barn is being framed, 10x16 would be the most convenient reasonable size. The next size up (easily framed) would be 10x24, then 10x32.

You have any problems blowing breakers with that arrangement? 30 amp circuit, or more? I'm going to bury cable a put a permanent circuit it. Trying to decide between 50 and 100 amp service.

You have more pix?
Go with 10x32 and subdivide, you won't regret it.....nmrwbadley
Sep 5, 2003 7:44 AM
Hey, this sounds like we're getting in the ballpark.terry b
Sep 5, 2003 7:51 AM
It's perhaps a little on the small side - 10x20 would've been nicer, but I was trying to keep it under my price target. It's fine for bikes but would not be great if I was swinging 2x4x8s around. If you have flexibility, 10x24 would probably be ideal.

Power has not been a problem, but then I'm not running any serious power tools or an air conditioner. It currently plugs into a standard 30amp outlet (in the barn) and I've had the lights, the fan and the boombox going without interuption. And, the power it comes from in the old barn is not great to begin with. If I was going to make it permanent, I'd probably err on the high side.

Sorry, no more pix here at work. If there is something specific you want, I could take it at home (later) and post it. However, the three you see pretty much sum it up. The perspective from which they're taken (the west wall) is left bare with the entry door 1/3 of the way along the front (to maximize storage in the south end) and a 36x60 window consuming the rest of the wall. Outside - it looks like a standard southwestern-style fake adobe building with a small overhanging roof and a deck.
Are 30 Amp outlets standard on farms? (nm)53T
Sep 5, 2003 9:41 AM
Well, we're talking about barns, and barnsOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 9:47 AM
hereabouts generally have only one circuit. You make that circuit reasonably hefty. There would be several outlets, lights etc on a 30 amp circuit.

Since I'm thinking about adding a compressor and some other things 'normal' barns don't have, I'm looking at a fatter circuit.
re: Building a dream shop: Recommendations.Crankist
Sep 5, 2003 7:41 AM
In addition...
roll-away tool box
spray booth
burlap curtains
Italian opera CDs
cloth rag delivery service
back-friendly height bike stand
computer
pool table
neighborhood kids with busted stuff
second the pool table nmJS Haiku Shop
Sep 5, 2003 7:53 AM
All sounds perfect except the neighborhood kids.OldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 7:57 AM
Ain't got no neighbors, except the 'Freebird' rednecks on the ridge across the valley.
don't be dissin' the kentucky state bird! nmJS Haiku Shop
Sep 5, 2003 8:01 AM
I snuck over one 2 a.m. and shot them bigOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 8:11 AM
old outdoor speakers to smithereens, as the Boys were passed out (on their quaint outdoor sofas) after 37 too many Milwaukee's Bests. Seems two years later they've finally scraped together enough money (must have hit the Pick Three, whooooooooooooooo!) to replace them.
I meant to say "Guiness on tap". (nm)Crankist
Sep 5, 2003 8:14 AM
Couple of ideas.Spoke Wrench
Sep 5, 2003 8:04 AM
I've never thought I had lighting that was as good as I needed.

Plan your work area so that all of the itty bitty small parts, tiny screws and nuts that you drop won't bounce or roll into some inaccesible or invisible place. Floor color counts too.

If you have a Park workstand, 4' from the front of your workbench works perfectly. Actually, it doesn't take a lot of space for working on bikes. If your work area is too big you just have to walk farther for the tools you need.

If you have teen aged sons, buy them their own tools and build them their very own shop and get a bank vault door for yours.
What size shop would you think optimal? Just for bikes nmOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 8:12 AM
What size shop would you think optimal? Just for bikes nmgtx
Sep 5, 2003 8:24 AM
depends if you're storing bikes, too, but I've got about a 10 x 10 section of my basement for a work stand and sturdy table (eventually I'll build a fixed bench) and tool boxes w/pull-out drawers and it's plenty. The bikes are hanging in another part of the basement.
"teen age sons"Steve_0
Sep 5, 2003 8:32 AM
or Wives. My wife has her own toolbox (ok, her own kitchen drawer). She's not allowed into the Listas (facom breaker <> hammer)
Go to MTBR Singlespeed forum and page ShiggyAztec
Sep 5, 2003 8:43 AM
He is building a similar shop on property next to his home. He's had several posts with pictures and details on his project. He would probably be a very good source for info since he's finishing up his shop at this time. At the very least you can do a search for his posts and there are quite a few picture of his project. It's pretty sweet.
Very good! I did and you're right! Thanks nmOldEdScott
Sep 5, 2003 8:58 AM
re: Building a dream shop: Recommendations.bicyclerepairman
Sep 5, 2003 3:13 PM
Essential: Parts cleaning/de-greasing tank with pump (use green or citrus based solvents). Use nitrile gloves, & keep your respirator inside a zip-lock bag when you're not using it. Wet/dry shop vacuum. Sand, bead, or walnut shell blasting booth (big enough to shoot a frame). Buffing wheel (keep it far away from your bench grinder).

Extra essential: Dynaudio speakers paired with Bryston monobloc amplifiers, using balanced inter-connects to your pre-amp or cd (with volume control) source. You'll thank me for this later...
Think Outside the [speaker] Boxchar
Sep 5, 2003 6:09 PM
You have a barn out in the boondocks and are not considering music studio/recording etc? Huhh?

Where's the music studio?
Divide by 3s
Bike Room
Woodworking (sealed)
Music studio (also sealed)

Jam at the back of the house.

Fender Twin Vibrolux
Marshall Stacks
JBL D-140 speakers
McIntosh power amps
Alembic pre-amps

:charlie
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