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Gaak....Hamilton signs w/ Phonak!!(25 posts)

Gaak....Hamilton signs w/ Phonak!!philippec
Sep 1, 2003 5:18 AM
So just back from holidays and what do I find out whilst catching up w/ the peleton? Hamilton (and not Beloki... yet) has just signed w/ Phonak leaving a glum Riis pining for the money the he lacked to keep Tyler on. Basso to CSC to be the GC leader. Where does that leave Beloki? ... and Zulle (who is planning on a good showing in the Vuelta). So many transfers, my head is spinning....

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Philippe
Bummer ...orange_julius
Sep 1, 2003 5:28 AM
I was just shopping for a Phonak jersey on sale thinking
that not many in the US have heard of them. Now everybody's
going to think that I'm a poseur. :-(

One more team jersey that the fashion police say I can't wear
around here, agh!
What was he thinking?KG 361
Sep 1, 2003 5:56 AM
Biarne has really helped him. Quite frankly, I'm surprised. CSC has beee one of the strongest (if not THE strongest ) team in the peleton this year. Guess $$ talks.
What was he thinking?divve
Sep 1, 2003 6:06 AM
Maybe he was tired of those Zipp wheels causing all his accidents:)
Yep, that's it! =) nmKG 361
Sep 1, 2003 6:08 AM
LOL Good one! nmthe bull
Sep 1, 2003 6:15 AM
Since when do Zipps cause accidents?"nm"CARBON110
Sep 1, 2003 11:56 AM
well....philippec
Sep 1, 2003 6:20 AM
$$ talks, walks, jumps down your throat, rips out your heart, liquifies your brain and spits it out like jelly and comfortably settles into your skull as if it were a comfortable old fireside sofa... but,

$$ can buy you mucho band-aids and (for those poor souls who don't get it free) can buy you decent health care ... certainly a consideration in Tyler's case!

Oh, and most importantly, $$ can pay for Faith's long-desired interior decoration remodeling extravaganza!

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Philippe
When you think about it...gmikes
Sep 1, 2003 6:38 AM
it must have been a very tough decision for him to make. Riis took him and honed his talent and transformed him from a diesel-engined lieutenant to a top gc rider who could attack and win races.

While I was initially disappointed when I saw the news, the more I think about it the more I understand it. We all glorify the exploits of our heroes in the sporting context but we must all remember that at the end of the day it is a job - and people work for money.

He probably weighed up the pros and cons and concluded that by taking this contract he could virtually secure himself financially for the rest of his life. At about 1.65 mio USD per year he will be pulling in some good coin.

I don't see this as the end of his competitiveness by any means. He will undoubtedly continue to work with his new trainer, Dr Luigi Cechini, whom Riis introduced him to. All that he learned with Riis will stay with him. He will likely have more solid backup over the longterm. Phonak seem pretty committed to sponsoring the team for the right reasons and they are desperate to get into the Tour. They will throw lots of money at the team to do that. CSC is a solidly organised team but they seem more susceptible to the sponsorship whims of CSC, who don't seem super committed for the long term in a big way. They don't want to bankroll the team completely, leaving Riis continually hunting for co-sponsors. Remember last year when they rode with no logos on the legs of their shorts until the start of the Tour? Tyler rode to second in the Giro with no shorts sponsorship - except for the logo on the butt panel but my point remains. They managed to get Selle Italia to throw them some money from the Tour onwards. Same thing this year ( although they didn't have blank shorts and simply put the CSC logo there) when ALM Brand came in and sponsored them from the start of the Tour on. Phonak have a big budget, yet need no co-sponsors.

So, all in all, kudos to Tyler. He is a great professional and he is doing what is best for him. He is undoubtedly thinking of his career but is also focused on his position in the years to come after he retires.
Well said (nm)OffTheBack
Sep 1, 2003 9:53 AM
You bet!KG 361
Sep 1, 2003 7:51 AM
Hey Phillipe-I didn't get to Paris except for 1 day. We stayed there the night before we flew out of CDG. I did get to ride 4x in France, outside of Lyon and then again near Nice in the Alps. Really great riding (except the fighting traffic coming into Antibes!). Anyway, we had a great time and will probably be back in 2 or 3 yrs. We plan to see Paris next time.
antibes+summer months=cycling nightmare!philippec
Sep 1, 2003 8:21 AM
Glad you had a good time. Don't you like the "gently rolling" (wink, wink) countryside around Lyons...

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Philippe
Rolling. Yeah,that's what we call it here, too =)KG 361
Sep 1, 2003 8:36 AM
Climbed MontD'Or. 2X, from 2 different directions. I was really glad for the triple on the POS rental that I got from Holiday Cycles in Lyon. Next time I drag the Look along!
This is too bad.Sintesi
Sep 1, 2003 7:52 AM
I think Bjarne is the best DS in the sport today and obviously had a special chemistry with Hamilton. Tyler's career will be over in a few years so I'm sure he's looking down the road but I am really sad to see what I thought was a special partnership come to an end.

I understand CSC aren't sitting around and weeping about their loss tho. They already picked up Basso for GC and everyman Jens Voigt for 2004.

Basso sounds like another outstanding project for Risse. I'm looking forward to the next few years of CSC action for sure.
reVERY dissappointed..pedalruns
Sep 1, 2003 8:39 AM
But I knew it was coming, but it is still hard to read.
I can understand why, so now financially he will be set... And good for him, it is the American way and I don't blame him, But...

I just hope he hasn't made a mistake going for the $$$... as far as winning the tour... Him and Riis seem to really be good together. I don't even know who rides for Phonak.. except for Zulle.. I hope they can get a good team around him for next years tour.... Of course there is even an off chance that Phonak would not be invited... What if Tyler crashes(very likely!) in the early part of the season and doesn't get alot of UCI points or just has poor results... Phonak is not an automatic for the tour... Like CSC won the team competition so they are already set for 04.

Just seems to me changing teams this late in his career is risky, when things have worked so well for him these last two years??

But good luck to Tyler, I hope it works out for him, I'll be cheering... I will not be buying an ugly green and yellow jersery... I'll still wear my CSC with pride.

I pick Ivan Basso for the Tour winner in about 3 years.
Dumb, da-dumb-dumb - Hamilton in the footsteps of Ulli/Coast...BergMann
Sep 1, 2003 9:47 AM
Phonak may be a much more liquid sponsor than Coast, but Hamilton's choice is every bit as stupid as Ullis! As the Coast/Bianchi saga showed, you can't buy team cohesion just by adding a shining star to the mix.

I don't know if it's just bad management, or if the Phonak squad is jinxed, but they definitely don't belong to the first-tier of Division 1 teams like CSC.

Phonak's climbers do OK poaching stages at the Tour de Suisse, but will they be up to the job at the TdF?

Also, watch for Tyler's new team to get _stomped_ in the 2004 TdF Team Time Trial.
Don't know about the TTT.KG 361
Sep 1, 2003 12:00 PM
As I recall, Zulle usn't excactly a slouch when it comes to time trialing. Don't know about anyone else, though.
See Phonak's press statement, admitting need for TTT riders?BergMann
Sep 1, 2003 6:30 PM
As for Zulle and time trialing, fuhgeddaboudit! Watch for him to bomb at the Vuelta & announce retirement at the end of the season...

In a way I'm being unfair to Phonak -- Dominguez, Moos, and Camenzind are all solid riders. Problem is, as a team, they really haven't managed to do much more than mix it up a bit at the TdS. I have my serious doubts that these guys would be able to make the final 10 man selection the way a Heras or Beltran can on a stage like Alpe d'Huez.
Frankly, I think Tyler was better off with Sastre at his side.

Did anyone see this story on Cyclingnews - http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/?id=2003/sep03/sep02news -
where Phonak essentially admitted they'd need to hire riders to contend in the TTT? I hate to say it, but hiring Bennati and a couple of Slovenians won't be much help...
A fashion nightmare... Phonak's colors and...PdxMark
Sep 1, 2003 10:23 AM
Tyler's blood and bandages. A terrible fit!
Traitor!!....Bruno S
Sep 1, 2003 1:40 PM
Great now I have to buy an ugly phonak Jersey:(roadeeforlife
Sep 1, 2003 2:07 PM
Automatic entry to TdeF?ms
Sep 1, 2003 5:24 PM
Are Hamilton's UCI points, along with the rest of the Phonak guys, enough to get the team an automatic invitation to the TdeF? Last year Phonak ranked 20th. I think that a team needs to be in the top 14 to get an automatic invitation.
????zooog
Sep 2, 2003 2:47 AM
Does not make sense except for the $$$$$$$$$.
..UCI points carried by riders for a top 10 placing.Spunout
Sep 2, 2003 5:23 AM
That is how a team can 'purchase' an automatic berth into the TdF.
Tyler needs some training wheels...pnitefly
Sep 2, 2003 9:59 AM
Phonak is taking a HUGE risk with Tyler. Can he even keep his bike upright until next summer? I think it is definetly a great opportunity for him ($$$, leadership). Lets cross our fingers and hope he can avoid hurting himself. I still think CSC had too many chiefs.