|IF Crown Jewel or Serotta Colorado III ?||bcm119|
Aug 27, 2003 11:24 AM
|its a general question, hopefully discussion provoking. These are my two choices after months of research. I'm 6-feet, 165 lbs, like to climb, don't race, ride about 5000 miles/year. I love steel, so please don't suggest Ti or carbon. I would have either frame custom fitted. Which would YOU choose?|
|Well, what I DID choose is the IF.||Zonic Man|
Aug 27, 2003 12:00 PM
|And I'm currently sitting in my office waiting for the bad boy to show up. Damn I hope UPS hurries up! I feel like I want to go out and wait on the damn corner!
Anyhow, I had the best buying experience i've ever had with Independant Fabrications. Matt Bracken, the sales guru/frame designer/president of the company was straight up, quoted an accurate ship time, didn't lie, got me the bike, and was just all around good. Plus he's a hell of a nice dude.
The Serrotta guys seemed pretty uppity...they were not willing to work with me at all. They were terse, didn't want to answer questions, etc.
Another plus is that IF will sell a bike through ANY bike shop, and serotta will only sell to a Serotta DEALER. That's something else to think about.
I got the IF. Damn when's the thing going to show up....
|If you truly love steel, then it has to be IF||gtx|
Aug 27, 2003 12:27 PM
|Why? Because Serotta is no longer offering a steel fork, unless you beg them for it and pay them an additional $500 or something silly like that.
I would also look closely at Steelman.
|But with steelman.....||Zonic Man|
Aug 27, 2003 12:34 PM
|You have to wait forever for your bike, deal with endless lies and deceptions, deal with having your bike be at "paint" for a month and a half, etc etc etc.
No fun. I'll take dealing with IF over steelman any day.
|Be more specific...||Mike Prince|
Aug 27, 2003 12:46 PM
|I, as well as many on this board, have had very good dealings with Steelman. Please back up the above comments with some specifics...
Doesn't sound like you have bought from them, so how do you know?
|I'm glad you had good dealings with him...||Zonic Man|
Aug 27, 2003 1:02 PM
|...the bikes are works of art.
I personally know 3 people who were dicked around by him in building their bikes. These people have all bought custom bikes before, so knew the drill when they went into it.
From what I understand, they're great bikes if you can wait a long ass time for one.
|lies and deceptions?||gtx|
Aug 27, 2003 12:52 PM
|Never heard that before. And I don't see the big deal about waiting a bit for a high end frame--anyone spending major money on a bike should have a few other to ride while they wait. And the "at the painters" excuse is true at least some of the time. For me the advantage of going with someone like Steelman is you are dealing directly with the guy building your frame.|
|No question whatsoever... Neither...||No_sprint|
Aug 27, 2003 1:06 PM
|If you truly love steel, I can't see looking anywhere but Sachs.|
Aug 27, 2003 1:34 PM
|The IF is very pretty but the Serotta is also really pretty. I have a legend and have put some miles on a COL III and loved it. It was very snappy, handled very well. I guess i am really hooked on the idea of the colorado concept tubing. Not that the IF is bad, i don't know that much about it. As far as paint goes, they are both top notch. I don't know where you are but maybe you could stop by both the serotta factory (Saratoga Springs - north of Albany, NY) or the IF factory (Boston).
Either way, you aren't going to go wrong. Happy hunting.
|Both!!||My Dog Wally|
Aug 27, 2003 3:09 PM
|I totally agree -- you can't go wrong with either one. As for me, I went with IF because I love their little company and how eager they were to work with me. They promised me a bike in 5 weeks, and that's when I got it. They made themselves accessible to me and answered every question I placed, whether on the phone or via e-mail. They even contacted me recently to see if I was still happy with the bike.|
|Why pay top dollar for old tech materials?||the bull|
Aug 27, 2003 6:14 PM
|I like steel dont get me wrong.
But I think these are very nice but overpriced bikes.
Most all steel rides good and spending an arm and leg for a good steel frame is not at all wrong but I wonder why your picking the ones that you have picked.Do you really need a custom frame?
The IF is a very nice bike you cant go wrong.
The Serrotta is nice too,But I would go for the CSi and get the lugs.
|Neither. Get a Serotta CSI.||spankdoggie|
Aug 27, 2003 7:03 PM
|I would get a Serotta CSI, and work the price around the components and wheels, etc.
You know you want the CSI. Get Ultegra components if you need to, but get the best so you have no regrets.
|Vanilla or Oswald. These guys are the sleepers of steel n.m.||koala|
Aug 28, 2003 3:26 AM