|Does anyone wear pro kits?||huffer|
Aug 24, 2003 10:04 PM
|I know you can go out and buy a Quick Step or CSC or whatever jersey, but who actually goes out to ride wearing one of these kits? Is it not completely silly to wear a pro jersey on your club/training ride unless of course you happen to be a pro sponsored by whatever you are wearing? I really HATE the cliche, but the word "poser" does come to mind...|
|Although those kits are for sale.....||divve|
Aug 25, 2003 1:16 AM
|...no one actually buys them. It's basically good marketing/exposure for the team to display their stuff in shops.|
Aug 25, 2003 1:49 AM
|I have two team jerseys I wear time to time. I look at it like anyone else wearing a team sport jersey, be it football or whatever. I think the only jerseys I wouldn't wear would be the Yellow,KOM or a Worlds. They are a trophy jersey and should only be worn by the winner. I think everyone has a different take on the situation. I don't let a few snobs keep you from wearing your favorite team colors.|
|A lot of folks . . .||Look381i|
Aug 25, 2003 2:33 AM
|I'll bite on this possible troll, in the belief that you are new to cycling and haven't seen this subject put to rest many times before in bulletin boards.
I've been riding for 30 some years. I would be hard pressed to think of a ride (not a race) I that time in which I didn't see folks wearing pro jerseys, going back to Molteni wools. (Full kit has always been rare.)
There are a lot of reasons. Some like to identify with their favorite pros and teams, current or past. Some like the idea of a high-quality, slightly out-of-date jersey at a bargain price ($35-45 in my experience). Some just go for the colors. I do it for all three reasons. I saw twenty some folks -- a German club -- in full Telekom kit, right down to the pink Pinarellos, two summers ago at the TdF.
I've never thought that any rider would wear a pro jersey because he or she thought he was a pro or could make anyone else think it when it wasn't true. I've never known any recreational cyclist's performance to be affected greatly by the jersey worn.
The crime of "poser" was invented by the fashion police. They often ride team bikes. There is no rule restricting cyclists to to black shorts and monochrome jerseys.
|Once again, I am NOT a troll...||huffer|
Aug 25, 2003 8:23 AM
|I'm just a newer roadie picking peoples brains to get a better idea of what the culture of the sport is like. Why is it whenever I ask a general question about something, then the "troll" accusations start flying? If you want proof I'm an actual cyclist, I can post pics or whatever...sheesh!|
Aug 25, 2003 8:46 AM
|Isn't the logic of calling someone a troll very much similar to calling someone a poser (maybe just as annoying), since both assume an unrespectable purpose without any substantiation?
Huffer, isn't that the best way for you to understand the poser issue by this analogy?
|The ruling elite of the cycling Taliban posted the fashion . .||Look381i|
Aug 25, 2003 9:01 AM
|rules within the past days or so on this BB. You might consider reading back a few days before posting a question. Most basic info and opinions are reiterated every week or less.
You will note that the Talibanshee's rules are quite detailed, but they thankfully do not require women cyclists to wear veils or men, djellabas. We all should print out the rules and post them near our closets. We should also make a second copy to carry with us on rides so that we can deride (pun intended), if not execute, violators.
|please include your stem stack height as proof. nm||divve|
Aug 25, 2003 9:24 AM
|"the crime of poseur"||Steve_0|
Aug 25, 2003 11:52 AM
|of course, the English language, words, and usage varies from location to locale, but I saw a different origin of 'poseur'.
In the 70's, when the Harly/ UJM war was full-scale, Harly's became the bad-boy image bike. However, yuppies (realizing the word didnt exist at the time) with cash began purcashing these bikes to promote a bad-boy image on their otherwise sendendary lives (this is even more prevalent today).
The grizzled and hardcore cyclists began watching 'bad-boys' wearing their engineers boots and leather vests to the tennis clubs and the pools. These guys rarely rode more than 1000 miles/year. Again, still prevalent today.
Like many other parallels between (motor) cycling and bi (cycling), 'poseur' shifted to the bicycling communty, and was used to refer to a non-serious cyclist with expensive equipment, attained for the sole purpose of looking cool at starbucks.
Eventually, misuse of the term shifted it's focus from the cyclists intent to the cyclists appearance.
Just a big-ole misuse of the word.
Personally, I always thought 'fred' was the proper word for an unfashionable cyclist.
|I actually bought some out-of-date stuff this year||geeker|
Aug 25, 2003 4:48 AM
|because the price was right (clearance at probikekit and worldcycling). $20 bibs (Tacconi and CSC) and $15 jerseys (Farm Frites, not Domo), top quality. I do feel kind of like a dork wearing the jerseys, but for a $15 Nalini jersey, I'd wear anything short of NAMBLA kit ;-)|
|I do, punk||53T|
Aug 25, 2003 6:20 AM
|I have a nice long sleeved Saturn (the older red and yellow and black design). You want to race sometime?|
|OLD! OLD! OLD! OLD!||TheJoker|
Aug 25, 2003 6:24 AM
|does some troll have to post this same nonsense every day...?|
|Once again, see my comment above nm||huffer|
Aug 25, 2003 8:29 AM
|re: How about just ride and not care what people wear?||otiebob|
Aug 25, 2003 6:40 AM
|Actually, it is "completely silly" to care what people choose to wear when they ride their bike(s). Its even more silly to judge and label them for wearing team kit. Live and let live. BTW - last year's team kit is often quite inexpensive so its conceivable that some of the folks you're labeling as "posers" are just smarter shoppers. Regardless, when I hear this tired "road cycling fashionista" argument, I throw on whatever is clean and go ride my bike - you might try the same.|
Aug 25, 2003 7:03 AM
|I wear a postal kit, and yes i have the bike too. call me a fred, i know you will.... but i dont care, i wear it on my training rides, and occasionally on tours, but never races. hopefully next year i'll join a club or team and wear their jersey!|
|The difference between a "pose(u)r" and a "fred" <tounge-in-chee||tube_ee|
Aug 25, 2003 11:41 PM
|Pose(u)r: team bike, jersey, shorts, helmet, shoes, and socks. Thinks that if his bike weighs over 16 lbs, he won't be able to climb up his driveway, let alone a hill. Essentially considers his bicycle to be a toy for adults. A detailed examination of his life would reveal that the majority of his disposable income goes to winning the suburban cool-guy lifestyle war. Rides 30 miles a week on a $5000 bike. Hero: Lance Armstrong
Fred: Lugged steel bike, wool shorts and jersey, mesh-back gloves, fenders. lights, and a triple. Believes that bike weight is irrelevant to any rider not being paid to ride. Probably commutes to work on his bike. Owns 4 or 5 bikes, at least one of which has a fixed gear. A detailed examination of his life would reveal that he drives an older Japanese car or a VW bus, regardless of income. He probably brews his own beer. Hero: Sheldon Brown
I personally aspire to true fred-dom However, I'm glad the pose(u)rs outnumber the freds by about 100 to 1. If they didn't, I'd be out of a job.
Peace and Grease,
PS - What about a guy wearing the full wool Molteni kit, on an orange, Super Record equipped Merckx? Is he a pose(u)r or a fred?
|Gee, I never thought of that. I wonder why nobody has posted||djg|
Aug 25, 2003 7:23 AM
|on this topic before.
I don't think I actually own any pro team jerseys at the moment, but I don't see what's wrong with wearing one as a fan. Let's see, if I pulled a Rabobank jersey over my 43-year-old carcass and took to the roads of Northern Virginia would I be "posing" as a UCI Division One pro rider? Would I (assuming I weren't delusional) expect other riders to think "hey, that guy must ride for Rabobank--bummer about Levi this year, eh")? I do have a couple of jerseys from my college team, which I still support, but for which I have not raced in a good 20 years. I don't think I'm posing as a college student. I mean, I don't think I mean to.
You know, on a good day, and in the right light, maybe I look 39. Sometimes people guess that I'm 5'9" or 5'10" (whereas sometimes the doc says 5'8" and sometimes he says 5'8.5"). Maybe sometimes I look like I'm 39 years old and 5'9". That's about as far as I can go in the kidding myself department.
|posing? gimme a break||elviento|
Aug 25, 2003 7:54 AM
|what would be the point of posing anyway? Cyclists know you are not an actual pro. Non-cyclists couldn't careless (you'd be lucky if they don't run you over with their SUV).
To me, the word poser is reserved for guys driving Porsche convertibles or body builders on rollerblades in only a thong.
|posing? gimme a break||Steve_0|
Aug 25, 2003 8:05 AM
|poser (more correctly, poseur), by definition, is a person who pretends to be what he is not. I can't see how a guy driving a porsche or rollerblading bodybuilders fall into that category. Not even close.
However, a cyclists who wears team kit for the purpose of deception or impession would, by definition, be a poseur.
|posing? gimme a break||elviento|
Aug 25, 2003 8:38 AM
|That's the question though, do cyclists wear team jersey "for the purpose of deception"?
You say yes, I say no. That's all.
A poser is someone who "poses", whatever that means. And in my book, the Porsche guys is a lot more of a poser than a cyclist wearing his CSC outfit.
Oh, by the way, poser is a CORRECT spelling of that word.
Aug 25, 2003 9:45 AM
|I never said cyclists wear team jerseys for the purpose of deception; I said that ONE WHO DOES would properly be labeled poseur.
Also, I never said 'poser' was an incorrect spelling of ~that~ word. I stated Poseur is ~more~ correct, as implied within the context of the cycing community.
Poser and Poseur are actually two different words meaning two different things. You are correct, the porsche guy ~could~ be a poser. Cyclists, however, are usually discussing poseurs.
|I gotta admit||pmf1|
Aug 25, 2003 8:22 AM
|Everytime I see someone decked out in a full team outfit, I try real hard not to smirk. There was some guy a few weeks ago in a USPS outfit -- jersey, shorts, sock, gloves, helmet and even the bike -- at a rest stop on the local MUT. I damn near asked him for his autograph.
Nothing wrong with it, but personally, I'd rather wear plain jerseys and shorts. I can see wearing the jersey, but the whole outfit seems to be a bit much for me.
Then again, a friend of mine bought an entire kit in Italy of some obscure class III team. The sponser is Euro-Mop. Yep, a floor mop. It has a big mop on the jersey ... very funny. I was kinda jealous of that one.
|Two weeks ago ...||HouseMoney|
Aug 25, 2003 8:47 AM
|while on vacation in Martha's Vineyard, I saw a guy in full USPS regalia too, including helmet & bike. Two days in a row, same thing. I'm pretty sure it was the same guy both days. I give him credit, though. He was riding a bike while I was antique hunting with my girlfriend!|
|I had curry for lunch today.||SpoiledBikeDaddy|
Aug 25, 2003 9:03 AM
|Tomorrow, I think I'll go with PBJ.|
|I had PBJ today||klippur|
Aug 25, 2003 11:52 AM
|I highly recommend it for tomorrow. mmmm, curry sounds good, perhaps i'll have that tomorrow.|
|I might have leftover salad instead||SpoiledBikeDaddy|
Aug 25, 2003 6:13 PM
|Yes. what about it?||KG 361|
Aug 25, 2003 9:56 AM
|I have a lower division 2 or 3 German pro kit from Kostriker. I paid $19 for the jersey and $30 for the bibs, pro quality Biemme. I do not pretend to be on a pro team. I do not ride like I'm on a pro team. The kit looks good, works well, and was cheap. Is there anything wrong with that? Additionally, I have Ag2r LS jersey and a linda McCartney jersey. Had to have the McCartney after the team went belly-up, plus, once again, it was cheap. the AG2r looks good, too, and guess what? IT WAS CHEAP! Notice a theme here? I don't give a rat's arse what others think. I'll wear what I want.|
Aug 25, 2003 10:21 AM
|I get mistaken for a pro rider...I mean, that's why I wear my 2 and 3 year old pro jerseys. I have a '01 Liquigas jersey and bibs (which I never wear together) I bought b/c the price was right (damn cheap) and, franky, I think they "look cool". I got an '02 Kelme jersey b/c I think it looks cool too. At 6'3" and 210 pounds with my 02 Lemond Zurich triple, I have a feeling most people will guess I'm a pro. So far I haven't had to sign too many autographs though. Weird.
Call me Fred and see if I give two sheeeites! I like to have a smoke and chat on my cell phone while I'm on the MUT too, usually drunk. *BURP*
Aug 25, 2003 1:24 PM
|Most people who see you riding don't even know there is such a thing as a professional cyclist.|| |