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suggestions for lite but affordable tires and saddle(25 posts)

suggestions for lite but affordable tires and saddlecapt pearl
Aug 22, 2003 10:06 AM
In my ongoing quest to become one of "you people", I find that my dry rotting Michelins are in need of replacement, as is my aged carbon fibre torture device (actually, it's fairly comfortable, but that doesn't make for good copy).

Suggestions? I'm training for a triathlon and would like to be able to do some group rides as well. This is going on an ~5 yr old aluminum GT with downtube shifters, so you can see where I currently stand. I'd like to keep the tires and saddle ~$100 (yeah, I'm on a tight budget - gotta baby on the way and Daddy's got to get his toys in order before the Blessed Event). Last years model is more than OK by me.

Thanks All,

-capt p
suggestions for heavy but affordable tires and saddleJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 10:15 AM
saddles are personal choice, but i've personally chosen brooks after extensive sitting on uncomfortable saddles. has a generous return policy, and i highly recommend doing business with bill laine, the proprietor. you can get a brooks b17 or b17 narrow for $60-$70.

i've not tried michelin axial carbon tires yet, but they're next on my list; however, they're $30-$35 each. as far as longevity and reliability, michelin axial selects /aka michelin axial kevlars /recently renamed michelin erilium tires are what i've settled on after several years of all-season riding. they're heavy and wire beaded, but you can't have it all: light, inexpensive, durable. $20 each suits your budget.

good luck.
hey J what size selects did you run....abicirider
Aug 22, 2003 11:13 AM
Hey J:
Traded my used airborne frame of a new surly cross check frame (different colors now got red) anyways building it up with triple crank barcon shifters etc what size tire did you run in your IL 300, 600 k rides 23 or 25
Be safe Out On The Roads!!!!
Ray Still
Mooresville, NC
all 23sJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:17 AM
tried 25s (contis) over the winter and didn't see any huge difference, and the contis wore out/got cut up pretty quick. stuck with axial select/axial kevlar and still happy. hoping to get the same longevity and toughness from axial carbon when i build up the merckx elite, to keep it to as light weight as possible within reason, but still bomb-proof. J light weight bike = >20 lb, btw. i'm a heifer at 200# and no friend of lightweight components.
should have been '<20 lb'...JS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:22 AM
my head is screwed on backwards today.

my steel merckx, and the new look, both build out to around 20-21 pounds. the cross-check is 23-24 pounds with cages, computer, pedals, 9000-pound brooks saddle, etc. i'm hoping the merckx elite (7005 AL/CF fork) will come out a hair under 20# with ultegra, cpx33, d/a hubs, thomson, chris king, turbomatic IV or ssm rolls, and some stupid-light bottle cages. i might ought to get over to wrench science and find out, no?

it's going to be my hairshirt. i'm going to put corncob on it.
wrenchscience weighs it out to 19#. featherlight! nmJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:30 AM
Thanks J just read your post about crash......abicirider
Aug 22, 2003 11:23 AM
Glad you and everybody is ok I'tell you the ribs are a painful SOB it took me 2 months before my healed and I was even able to sleep on my Right side if you have pain in your stomach at all get to the doctors you could have brusied your liver which can lead to complications take care and heal fast I hate toi say this but damn ribs get wose pain worsens after the first couple of days.
Ray Still
thanksJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:31 AM
sleeping was only possible through the use of pharmaceuticals last night. no pain in stomach, aside from sore abs. ribs are ok, they only hurt when i breathe or move.

For what it's worth, I've been using Axial Carbons and...MVN
Aug 22, 2003 3:00 PM
I weigh 195. I started using them last year when I kept destroying cheapies I got from my lbs. I get them through Danny at His prices are unbeatable. He sells them for $23.50 ea. plus shipping. Last order totaled about $54. If you want them with a red stripe on the sidewall, try BikeTiresDirect, but like you said they are $30 each there. Anyway, hope you get to feeling better soon.
awesome, thanks! nmJS Haiku Shop
Aug 25, 2003 5:26 AM
please excuse the double post (nm)capt pearl
Aug 22, 2003 10:19 AM
Second the BrooksGregory Taylor
Aug 22, 2003 10:21 AM
I bought a Team Professional from Bill Laine at Good guy, great saddle. Check out their returns - they sell those saddles at a discount. The Team Professional is a bit narrower than the B.17. The B.17 Narrow is also a good bet.

As for budget tires, the Panaracer Stradius Elite is a good tire. Wire bead, good grip, good long life. Nashbar blows them out occasionally for under $20.
Brooks Qcapt pearl
Aug 22, 2003 10:56 AM
Good saddle for getting wet? I'm getting into triathlons and considering cyclocross.

Excuse my mountain bike background, but aren't wire bead's heavy?

-capt p
LOL, weight weenie on ~5 yr old aluminum GT with DT shiftersJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:09 AM
heavy is relative.

sacrifice weight for comfort and resilience on a heavy saddle versus ultralight synthetic-framed tt saddle. it's your choice; let your arse be the judge. i've 'crossed my brooks, plus had it out in some belgian weather (in illinois) over the winter/spring, and it's none the worse for wear.

axial carbon= 264 g. axial kevlar / erilium = 350 g. that's a 172 gram difference between these two sets of tires, one wire bead and one kevlar. one pound = 454 pounds. 172 grams = .38 pounds, or roughly 1/3 pound. is 1/3 pound of tire weight on what i'm guessing is a 23 pound bike worth $26 for a pair of tires that will wear out as soon or sooner than the cheaper, heavier ones? are there other places on your bike, equipment, clothing, or body where you can remove 172 grams?

btw, your original post said aged carbon fibre torture device. which is it, AL or CF?
should be 'one pound = 454 grams' nmJS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 11:10 AM
Dood! I resemble that remarkcapt pearl
Aug 22, 2003 11:22 AM
The frame is AL, the seat will be further examined this PM. I'm wearing bike shorts and jersey shimano road shoes and a giro (mtb) helmet, but will work on the 172g on the engine. The bike's former owner was a weight weenie. He's really a mountainbiker and this bike was gathering dust. He mad me a good deal to justify a custom Yeti roadie.

I'm just the daydreamer who's digging the speed.

Thanks for the suggestions.

-capt p
No, not really water friendlyGregory Taylor
Aug 22, 2003 11:17 AM
The Brooks saddle is leather, and they don't like getting soaked. They stretch. Hadn't thought about the swimming thing. I put a plastic bag over mine in the wet, which gives it a certain low-buck chic. That would probably get you a lot of weird looks in the transition area.

In that case, may I recommend to you the Selle Italia Flite? Classic, light, and comfortable in my backside's opinion. The basic Flite is pretty cheap.

Wire-beads are normally a tad heavier than kevlar, true. But they are usually WAY cheaper. For a training or commuting tire, it makes little sense to spend the extra $$$. A race tire? I agree that good light tires are one of the best "bang for the buck" upgrades that you can do, and that usually means a kevlar bead.
No, not really water friendlycapt pearl
Aug 22, 2003 11:30 AM
Thanks. Was thinking about the Flite. My buddy swears by the Flite TT on his hardtail mountain bike, so that's a pretty good thumbs (arses?) up.

Let's say that as J above has mentioned, on this bike and with this engine, maybe wire's not an all bad thing.

thanks all,

-capt p
Vittoria Techno Pro, $24 or so each from Supergo...Lone Gunman
Aug 22, 2003 6:13 PM
Currently riding those after riding Conti GP3000 for several years, they kept delaminating, threads hanging off them. So far so good with the Vitts. In fact I bought a second pair as a spair. Kenda might be worth a shot @ $20 or so each.
Second the Panaracers.KG 361
Aug 23, 2003 2:40 PM
I have the Stradius Pros. Best tires I've used so far and they were 4 for $60 last year from Jeneson, I believe.
I'm liking Vredestein Volante tires.dzrider
Aug 22, 2003 11:34 AM
They're tread life and resistance to cuts have been excellent. They're comfortable in 25c, handle nicely and they're not terribly heavy. May actually get two pair in a row. A pair should leave you more than enough for a decent seat from a local shop's box of seats and stems.
I'm a penny pincher tooMel Erickson
Aug 22, 2003 12:16 PM
Universal Cycles has a WTB saddle with Ti rails and kevlar corners for $25. I've tried many saddles and have settled on this one. It's the most butt friendly to my butt and is cheap and light to boot. I use it on all my bikes.

I got some Panaracer Stradius Elite tires for my SS and have been quite pleased. Good handling, sturdy and fairly light. I also got some Stradius Pros from Cambria for $30 a pair. These are even better. Good quality, good ride, good handling and light. Cheap at twice the price and Cambria has them on sale now for $19 each.

Total for the saddle and tires would be $63 plus shipping which is well under your $100 target.
Oooh, thanks for the tip on the cheap Stradius Pros. NMGregory Taylor
Aug 22, 2003 12:25 PM
I'm a penny pincher toopowergyoza
Aug 23, 2003 12:51 AM has a great deal on Panaracer Stradius Extremes. Mention that you saw his classified on the usenet and you'll get them for $25 each instead of $30.
Cheap Schwalbe 23s on ebayfiltersweep
Aug 22, 2003 12:54 PM
About $30/pr delivered and they weigh about the same as Pro Races- Kevlar bead/folding.

A Selle Italia SLR is as light a saddle as you'll ever find and they are about $70 delivered from JensonUSA. That gives you as light as you'd ever want at about $100.