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Great riding, good job market, reasonable cost of living...(32 posts)

Great riding, good job market, reasonable cost of living...gf99
Aug 20, 2003 4:12 AM
Is this like asking for light, strong, and cheap bike stuff? Pick any two you want but you can't have all three?

Does any such place exist?

My latest near death experience in my inexpensive to live in city with a good job market but less than ideal roads (putting it mildly) got my wondering. Where can I move to?
re: Great riding, good job market, reasonable cost of living...rogue_CT1
Aug 20, 2003 4:22 AM
St. Louis County, Missouri. Awesome cycling scene, great rural roads with lots of challenging hills that are easily accesable from almost anywhere and well attended group rides almost everyday of the week.

One problem: Missouri's economy sucks right now with many companies packing it in and moving from the area. (Ford and American Airlines to name a couple)

The other problem is that there is a LOT of violent crime in the city. Over the weekend we had a rash of car-jackings and murders. That's why if you move here and want to stay alive move to the county. (St. Louis City is one of only two cities in the country that do not belong in a county that is why I make the distinction between the two)
Not Saint Louis...c722061
Aug 20, 2003 5:06 AM
I have been finding a new job with comparable pay for the last 6 months. No luck! Missouri roads are crowded and in bad shape. If you want to ride like the post above, you have to live out in rural areas which commuting to work is very difficult.

Crime in city of St. Louis is ranked top in the nation for the last several years. I am not sure about statistic but it seems like at least one murder per day. So, do not go to St. Louis/Missouri
Can you name a few roads in West StL County?Continental
Aug 20, 2003 6:12 AM
West StL County traffic has gotten much worse the last 10 years. Lately I've confined my riding to multiple laps around Babler Park, early Sunday morning rides, or cruising residential streets. Babler Park is fine, but it takes 8 figure 8's around the park to get 50 miles, and you do have to watch for turtles and animal crap on the road. I'd like some great rural roads where I could ride 40-60 mile loops.
re: Great riding, good job market, reasonable cost of living...lemmy999
Aug 20, 2003 4:32 AM
I would say you are right. San Diego (I hear) has a fairly strong economy and a great cycling scene, but not so good cost of living. I live in East TN and it is great cost of living, fair cycling scene (the rednecks aren't great to be around when riding but lots of people ride and there are plenty of rural roads, but no bike lanes in the city), and a fair job market.
good climate/good economy/good cycling - pick any twofiltersweep
Aug 20, 2003 4:50 AM
Do you really think that San Diego has a strong economy?

Frankly, this is like the light/cheap/reliable - pick two situation.

There seems to be good climate/good economy/good cycling - pick any two. For the most part good climate and good economy are mutually incompatible... there is generally more money to be made in cities that have winters.

I may be wrong...
yup, climate mattersgf99
Aug 20, 2003 5:45 AM
It's been five years since I moved here from the frozen north and it's still a thrill to hop on the bike in January not caring that it's January.
good climate/good economy/good cycling - pick any twolemmy999
Aug 20, 2003 5:50 AM
I just read in a magazine that was only about 1 month old that San Diego has a thriving biomedical scene. So I guess there would be good jobs in some areas, maybe not in all. There is no place in the USA that has a strong economy now.
stay away from NJ!bicycle268
Aug 20, 2003 4:34 AM
I know there's a bunch of ex/current Jerseyans on this board but if you want to go by the poster's criteria, New Jersey is not the place to be. Here in northern NJ, the roads are congested. No two ways about it. There are quieter roads out there but on a typical 50 mile loop you're gonna get nailed with cars. The cost of living is out of this world. You either pay through your teeth to live in a decent area or you live in the ghetto. I'm willing to live with it all, though, as this is where my life is.
please keep you comments in Northern Jersey, where they belongSteve_0
Aug 20, 2003 6:51 AM
Here in southern jersey, we have plenty of country roads.
COL far more reasonable than up north.
Good Job market and the commute to phila is a whole lot easier than the commute to NYC.
you are correct, mr. Steve-0!bicycle268
Aug 20, 2003 7:16 AM
My dad lives down in Medford, NJ, in the heart of the pine barrens. A really nice area to ride and live. I should have qualified my response to only include congested north Jersey.

Quinn
no kiddin!?Steve_0
Aug 20, 2003 11:34 AM
I live in Medford!

Grew up on the Beach in Margate. Co-located to Medford when i hitched up. Cant beat equidistance from the city and the beach.

Whereabouts does he live in Medford?
Where do you live? My sis is in S. Plainfield.
hey Steve-0!bicycle268
Aug 21, 2003 4:34 AM
He lives on summerfield lane in a condo complex in Medford (or is it Medford lakes at that point?). Anyway, it's really nice down there, but a little on the flat side.

I live in Chatham, not too far from your sis. In fact, a couple of my weekly rides skirts that last watchung mountain before dropping down into the plainfields towards rt 22.

And... I'm sure your sis would confirm my statements about NJ riding (Northern, that is!!)

Quinn
hmmmmSteve_0
Aug 21, 2003 7:40 AM
Being as I dont reconginze 'summerfield', I presume He's in the new condos on Jackson Rd? Right next to Medford Lakes?.

If so, I live in Sherwood, directly across Jackson from him.
Small world.

Yes, my sis' comments mirror yours on North Jersey.

Steve
not that badDaveG
Aug 20, 2003 2:56 PM
Here in southern NJ, there is much less congestion, lower cost of living and decent job market. NJ is certainly no cycling utopia, but its not the worst. One benefit in NJ is that the roads are well maintained and usually have good shoulders for cycling. In north Jersey the skylands area is a beautiful (and hilly) place to ride
If you find it let me know...Chicago_Steve
Aug 20, 2003 5:21 AM
I've been looking at a lot of college towns lately as the wife and I have the urge to move.

Chicago has a pretty good road scene (MTB scene is limited), a fairly strong economy, and, dare I say, is reasonable compared to New York, LA, San Fran, and some other big cities...

High on my list of places to move would be:

Midwest
Madison, WI
Minneapolis, MN
Grand Rapids, MI

West
Tuscon, AZ
Flagstaff, AZ (pipedream)
Austin, TX
Grand Rapids is hurting economicallyMg1
Aug 20, 2003 6:17 AM
Grand Rapids is bleeding jobs. Manufacturing base (auto, office furniture) is shrinking. But it is a great place to ride when the weather cooperates, usually April - November. Nice mix of mtn bike trails and rolling hills with a several rail trails / bike lanes. We've had a great summer this year - somewhat cool, just the right amt of precip. Also a great place to raise a family, reasonable cost of living, traffic, etc.
Interesting list.djg
Aug 20, 2003 6:31 AM
I love Chicago. I was born there and, although we moved away when I was tiny, I spent 6 years back in the city as an adult (well, as a college graduate anyway). Great city, yes. Active cycling scene, yes. But ... well, the topography leaves something to be desired and there's the little matter of the very long, harsh winter. Still, I'd take it over St. Louis (2 years), which was listed above. All three midwestern places you list have very long winters for somebody looking to move to a cycling destination. At least one has a fairly depressed economy to boot (albeit, I'd guess, a relatively low cost of living).
More than just biking in MinneapolisGeardaddy
Aug 20, 2003 7:21 AM
Yes, winter is real here in the Twin Cities. But, you don't have to sit on your duff through the winter. The Twin Cities is IMO the best urban location in the US for quality X-C skiing. Check out http://www.skinnyski.com if you want to get the "skinny" on X-C skiing in the area.
Hey, no offense.djg
Aug 21, 2003 7:00 AM
I know several people who like the Twin Cities a lot--I'm sure it's a nice place. And yeah, personally I like winter sports (although I'm more into Alpine skiing, which was never great in the midwest). I just thought the string of northern midwestern offerings was curious in response to someone who expressed special interest in moving to a really good cycling area. Maybe I'm wrong about that--I rode more miles (although not days) when I lived in New Hampshire--it just struck me that a warmer clime would be advantageous.
New Hampshirefirstrax
Aug 20, 2003 5:38 AM
Mountains, Ocean, Jobs, and no income or sales tax. Property tax is a little steep though.
New Hampshirelemmy999
Aug 20, 2003 5:51 AM
Yeah but when I had been biking for 2 months in TN my friend in New Hampshire was still getting snow. I think I would like it in NH, but the cold season just last too long for me.
Asheville, NCretbchboy
Aug 20, 2003 5:59 AM
OK, I'm going to make a pitch for where I live.
Arguably, one of the finest MTB in the country (Pisgah). I'm new to Road biking so I can't say much about it other than they are everywhere around here, especially on the Blue Ridge Parkway. And from my understanding Lance got back into shape around here.
Weather: GREAT except for all the rain we've been having which is not normal. We have four seasons a year with very little snow and you can ride all year.
Work: It depends what your field is. There are a lot of retirees here (One of the top 5 places to retire) so the medical field is booming. Housing is booming. If you own your own business (me) and cater to the whole US it's great (Cane Creek is here).
Families: Awesome, A great place to raise kids!!!!
It's a small town, less than 100K. but Charlotte and Atlanta are several hours away if you need it.
Good Luck!
Shhhh!! Do you really want everyone to know? -nmgf99
Aug 20, 2003 6:12 AM
Charlottesville, VADuane Gran
Aug 20, 2003 6:34 AM
I live in Charlottesville (lived in Washington DC for three years prior) and really like it. The riding is excellent and the cost of living is reasonable for what you get. The job market on the other hand really depends on what you do.

You might consider Washington DC. There is a great network of bike trails for commuting to work and the job market is excellent. Unfortunately, it is one of the most expensive places in the nation.
Hey Duanepmf1
Aug 20, 2003 6:50 AM
Sprayed any rollerbladers lately? Me neither. Charlottesville is a nice place ... I assume you're going to school there?

For a big city, DC is pretty good. Lots of trails in town and in the burbs, good riding not far away in the Shenandoah valley, lots of clubs and centuries. The weather is pretty decent (except for this year) -- I ride pretty much year round. It is expensive though. Little starter homes where I live at the end of the metro line (Vienna) go for $325,000 these days. There are plenty of more expensive places though (e.g., Boston, NYC, LA).
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/. You can pick the importance..BrianNYC
Aug 20, 2003 6:44 AM
of different criteria and get the cities that best fit those criteria. Don't know if biking is one of the criteria (sorry), but I am sure sports/activities and "active lifestyles" are.

Good luck and let us know what the results are.
www.findyourspot.com . A better site. Also, there are a lotBrianNYC
Aug 20, 2003 6:54 AM
more sites like this on the web. Do a google search or use this one. www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=best+city+to+live+in
ran my search: 9 of top 10 in NJ?DaveG
Aug 20, 2003 3:04 PM
I did not indicate a preference for geographical area. 9 of my top 10 cities were in New Jersey. All of my top 25 were in NJ or NY. I guess I'm already in the right place
If I knew, I wouldn't tell you! nm ;)Dropped
Aug 20, 2003 7:12 AM
Albuquerque,NMspookyload
Aug 20, 2003 7:23 AM
I just moved here. Huge government jobs with Sandia Labs and the Department of Energy, Kirtland AFB too. Intel has a massive fab here and the University of New Mexico is here too. Plus lots of construction jobs and factory work if that is your gig.

Weather is 300 days of sunshine a year, and the winter are very mild in the 40-50 range. Summers do get into the 90's, but the humidity is down around 10-20% so it isn't bad, and even then the mornings are still in the 60's.

We have a very active cycling community and are only a 7 hour drive to the Denver area if you need more than we have on the weekends. The real kicker is the altitude. Albuquerque is above 5000', so if you go into any of the local mountains, you are training well above 8000'. There is one really long climb to the top of Sandi Peak that is 19 miles from the start and takes you from 5000' to over10,000'.
sioux falls SD (nm)ColnagoFE
Aug 20, 2003 7:28 AM