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Which is more epic: PBP or the 508?(9 posts)

Which is more epic: PBP or the 508?PseuZQ
Aug 19, 2003 10:52 AM
I'm making gross assumptions about these events. Please chime in with your opinion.

PBP:
It's in Frahnce.
It's only every four years.
Has a lot of history.
Nice scenery. (?)
Your name goes in a big book.
You have to do the qualifying brevets in rando fashion.
You have to *get* to France.
Controles have food and stuff.
It's 1200k and you have up to 90 hours.
Cyclists from all over the world go.
You start in Paris.

The 508: (Again, gross assumptions)
It's in the desert.
It's wayyyyy in the desert.
You get wicked cool totem (unless it's something like "Poodle.")
It's a race, not a ride.
You have to have a crew and pack in all your stuff.
It's a RAAM qualifier.
It's 508 miles and you have 45 hours.
You go through Trona.

I have not come to a conclusion....Anyone?
re: Which is more epic: PBP or the 508?MrCelloBoy
Aug 19, 2003 11:41 AM
IMHO, PBP.
Nothing can beat European charm!
re: Which is more epic: PBP or the 508?Heron Todd
Aug 19, 2003 12:03 PM
You have to have a crew? That immediately disqualifies the 508. Epic rides are unsupported. PBP is the ultimate cool ride.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
Is PBP unsupported?chopper
Aug 19, 2003 1:38 PM
Are you responsible for everything you eat and drink and all mechanicals? Since its the same route everytime do people setup stands where you can buy things, etc.?
Is PBP unsupported?Heron Todd
Aug 19, 2003 2:27 PM
Some folks have support crews at PBP, but they are only allowed to meet riders at the checkpoints. I'd say that riding PBP without any support is more in the spirit of the event. The rider is responsible for all repairs and food. Of course, food can be purchased along the way and at the checkpoints.

Todd Kuzma
Heron Bicycles
LaSalle, IL 815-223-1776
http://www.heronbicycles.com
For more info about PBP..Qubeley
Aug 19, 2003 6:45 PM
Check http://www.rusa.org/
Some basic info are available under FAQ section.
I think I will do at least a 200K next year.
here's the rules for riders: http://www.rusa.org/brvreg.html
can only speak to halfDougSloan
Aug 19, 2003 8:10 PM
The 508 prohibits drafting; it has 35000 feet of hard climbing; it can 106 degrees; it is a race, so you do not stop unless absolutely necessary; I puked twice; I passed out on the bike; you can use aerobars, though; it goes through hell and back, well, not even back -- it's pretty much all in hell (Mohave, Death Valley...); it has 20 mile climbs; it has road so rough it knocks parts off your bike.

No doubt PBP is longer, both in time and distance. It's more of a fun, social, ride, though. You can talk to people.

Bottom line, I'd estimate you'd need about equal fitness to do well in either.

Doug
I guess my overall impression is that...PseuZQ
Aug 19, 2003 8:23 PM
PBP is something mere mortals can do. That is in no way meant to detract from its difficulty. It just seems like a normal long-distance cyclist (whatever that is), who trains his or her butt off, has the rando self-sufficiency down, and truly makes the commitment, can pull it off.

The 508 on the other hand, seems way harder. Like you could train, have the desire, have the resources, etc. but be faced with a greater inherent limiter (speed? Endurance? Nutrition?) that no amount of training could address unless one were naturally gifted.

It sounds fun, in a perverse sort of way.
correctionJS Haiku Shop
Aug 20, 2003 6:14 AM
naturally i've never done either. however, i have ridden a few long rides, and a couple brevets.

the 508 *is* something mere mortals accomplish. do(u)g is proof.

another is the nicest guy you'd ever want to ride with, a 508 finisher & RAAM qualified rider who's shared our group rides here in elvisville for the last 2 months. he just left for home (CA) yesterday. he's a regular guy; fit, driven, intelligent, experienced, but mortal. and modest.

the 508 is one of my "lifetime" goals; very expensive from a logistic standpoint, for me. i'm guessing $15-20k to ride it. currently, money notwithstanding, training time is an impasse. had i the opportunity to ride one or the other, then never again, the 508 would be my choice. looks more challenging. here's an observer's comparison:

PBP
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* hundreds of french spectators
* french is the native language
* unless you live there, it's a long trip
* loudeac
* hilly
* drink wine and beer while eating buffet at controles
* chance to ride with Dale Brigham's female friend in gold lycra shorts

508
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* cactus
* unsure of the native language
* nobody lives there. ok, maybe a few really strange people. kinda like france in a way.
* badwater
* townes pass
* drink sustained energy on the bike and try not to vomit
* chance to hallucinate female riders in gold lycra shorts