|Possible deal on new frame||toomanybikes|
Aug 18, 2003 3:18 PM
|I may be able to get a SUPER deal on a new frame and if so would be looking to build up with either Ultegra (what I remember as Shimano 600) or Centaur.
I admit to being a Campy fan, however, my only experience with it is with Record. I bought a bike last year with 105 and have been amazed at how well it works, also my first experience with indexed shifting! So that said, given that the price is virtually identical - which would be recommended - Ultegra or Centaur?
Any weaknesses in either? Any particular strengths??
Aug 18, 2003 3:26 PM
|I am a Shimano man myself and have had good luck with it and it sounds you have as well so you could always just stick with what works.
Aug 18, 2003 3:37 PM
|I have good luck with both - but I must admit that I lean toward Shimano for one simple fact -
I now live in a smaller centre and often take my bike on business trips and family vacations. I can ALWAYS find Shimano in any small town, whereas some places it seems have never even heard of Campy!!
This is really the main reason that I find myself leaning in the direction of the rising sun!!
Aug 18, 2003 3:49 PM
|just say NO to ShimaNO! ditch their throw-away shifters! protest their unfair pricing structures! go for 10 speed!
seriously now, it may be more convenient to stick with Shimano so you can share wheelsets. otherwise, I would find Ultegra and Centaur to be roughly on par. Centaur is heavier, but has one more speed. Shimano shifters aren't as durable as Campy's, but 10s chains aren't as durable as 9s. Shimano's cranks are definitely lighter and stiffer than their counterparts. shifting ergonomics are a personal preference. chances are, you will not regret going Campy unless the shifters don't agree with you.
|Campy ...Either your on the 10speed bus or under it ..||10speedfiend|
Aug 18, 2003 3:51 PM
|It does'nt take a rocket scientist to figure out that the 9 speed drivetrain is on the way out. This year Dura-ace 10 speed, next year Ultegra? Yea, you know im right! And all of you who still want to buy 2003 9 speed Ultegra,will get a great deal if you hold out till the new stuff is announced/introduced. I have ridden both 9speed and 10speed, and trust me you will love the 10speed drivetrain. Much smaller gaps in the gearing. I think both systems are well engineered, look nice and are of a very high quality. I just like the fact I can get a rebuildable 10speed drivetrain with much more comfortable/ convenient shifters for the same price as disposable less comfortable shifters and only 9speed. Plus the Campy stuff does not have all the cables sprouting all over the front of your bars.
Aug 18, 2003 4:45 PM
|9 speed is on the way out. Ultegra 9 speed is about to become out of date. Campy10 (and Shimano10) will be here for a while.|
Aug 18, 2003 5:27 PM
|I've had Daytona (now centaur) 10 speed for 2 years. It's very durable and is excellent. Word from the mechanics at my LBS is that its equivalent to Ultegra with the advantages of servicable parts (although nothing has broken), increased durability, no cables protruding from the levers for a cleaner look, and 10 speeds (having that 25 tooth in the back is nice. From what I've been told Campy makes a greater selection of cassettes. I have seen guys running a 29 in the back to give themselves a greater range without going to a triple, although a triple is also available.
The 9 speed drivetrain is already 2 years out of date. Campy has made the 10 speed drivetrain available on at least 3 groups now for 2 years (Centaur, Chorus and Record). With Shimano you have to buy Dura Ace for 10 speeds and its still not compatible with other Shimano groups.
Don't believe everything they say about 10-speed chains not lasting. Mine has 5,000 miles and still measures OK without significant stretch.
|This is my new cut and paste!||the bull|
Aug 18, 2003 5:34 PM
|For the average Joe I would recomend Shimmano.
It is easy for the LBS to set up and you dont really have to mess with it.
Most people that are not too bike savy ride Shimmano.
Most Techs I know that dig on the way stuff is built are drawn to Campy.
IT comes down to this.
When Campy is working good it is awesome but can be tricky if you dont know what you are doing.
Shimmano is easy to set up and stays good with little or no effort.
|This is my new cut and paste! <---- Shimano.... 1 M||russw19|
Aug 18, 2003 5:56 PM
|Hey Bull... at least proof read it and spell check it first if you are gonna keep posting it!
Just having a little fun at your expense...Shimammoananoamo
Hope you're smiling at that one, being that my grammer and spelling is often suspect!
|Shima...no Shima..hmmm||the bull|
Aug 18, 2003 6:31 PM
|Shimman.no ...Shimma..no! Shimmano!
(Take off on Bob Rolls Tour DAY France ad):)
|As a diehard Campy fan, I would recommend the Ultegra...||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 6:37 PM
|I think it is better manufactured for the money than the Centaur. It isn't 10 speed, but doubt you'll miss the extra gear.|
|Thank you all,||toomanybikes|
Aug 18, 2003 6:56 PM
|I wondered about the 10 vs. 9 - who would miss the one gear?
For getting bits and pieces outside of the major centres I guess I will go Shimano.
Boy, I will miss Campy though!
Aug 19, 2003 7:55 AM
|So far so good on my group at about 1000 miles. It's worth it for the shifters alone. Go with the Centaur!|
|One of the things...||MShaw|
Aug 19, 2003 11:40 AM
|I would do is run Campy brifters and rear derailleur and Shimano everything else. That way, when Shimano goes 10v next year, you'll have the shifters to upgrade without too much effort.
The 10v shifters will shift a Shimano 9v drivetrain with no problems. Just leave the extra click on the 12t end of the cassette.
Nice thing about Shimano has been mentioned: every Tom, Dick, and Harry that works in a shop knows Shimano. There used to be more of a problem running Campy out in the sticks, till the invention of overnight shipping and mail order. Now, if you're reasonably competent mechanically, you're only out a part overnight.