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Ok, How would you handle this wheelsucking situation?(19 posts)
|Ok, How would you handle this wheelsucking situation?||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 6:14 AM
|Someone started to hang on my wheel during my 45 miler yesterday, which didn't necessarily bother me (actually I was doing a solo/TT type of ride, so I was kinda stoked that somebody wanted to hang on), but then the guy pulls up next to me and starts to critique my riding...without knowing what type of training I'm doing or anything. Never offers to pull, and is constantly trying to have a conversation. I am not anti-social, but I was trying to concentrate on my training, which was pretty intense at that point. Mildly irritating and distracting, but I tried to be as polite as I could, but continue to ride my ride. How could I have handled it differently?|
Aug 18, 2003 6:20 AM
|When he pulls up next to you, look directly at him and say "no offense, but I'd rather ride alone." Then look back to the road and ignore him. If he persists on wheel sucking, pull way off to the center line, stare back at him, and make it clear that you are not there to pull him. If this doesn't work, come to a full stop, motion him to move on, then continue when he is gone.|
|agree; politely tell him what you think||DougSloan|
Aug 18, 2003 6:24 AM
|Good, diplomatic communication should work in any situation like this.
Aug 18, 2003 6:24 AM
|1) Stop and stretch...pretent to at least.
2) Tell him to go away you are in the middle of a workout. "I don't mean to be rude, but I am in the middle of a solo/tt workout."
3) (last resort)I am not sure if you are one of those people who can hang up on a telemarketer or have to tell them goodbye. I personally don't tell a telemarketer goodbye I just hang up as soon as I see what it going on. You can do the same just end the conversation abrubtly..."So, have a good ride and stay safe." It might seem rude, but it is also weak to mess up someones traning ride...it is different if you have mardi grai beads and a parrot bell on your bike, you are asking for a conversation.
Note to other strong riders: Be aware if you meet up with some one on the trail, if you start talking to them and they can't talk back or give hints that they are training...don't be "that guy."
|That's a situation where the term||Leroy|
Aug 18, 2003 6:57 AM
|"f*** off" is the only really appropriate reply. Actually, just "Thanks for the coaching; have a nice day..." ought to give him the idea. What a jerk.|
|Let's deconstruct -- the guy obviously thinks that you (1) need||bill|
Aug 18, 2003 7:01 AM
|a little critiquing, and (2) are worthy of it, a backhanded compliment but a compliment nonetheless. He also thought that he was the guy to do it, and, I would have to say, if he could ride up next to you and talk to you while you were doing a TT effort, he had to have SOMETHING going for him.
So, you needed to communicate. Frankly, when someone has tried to talk to me when my eyes were rolling back in my head, a little hand wave off and a shake of the head always had been enough to get the point across. That someone could talk when I couldn't always has stung a bit, but when you're in survival mode it's hard to care too much.
|Let's deconstruct -- the guy obviously thinks that you (1) need||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 7:45 AM
|The "tip" was during a turn...I was training in SS simulation using a 42/16 to work on spin, and of course, this requires some standing and effort after the turn to get back up to cadence. His advice was to downshift before the turn...I kind of gave the "no sh!t, Sherlock" look, and explained what I was doing...to which he replied, "Oh yeah, I've heard of that...blah, blah, blah... I was polite because I knew he was just trying to help, but my point is if he's so good, why ain't he pulling me?
In contrast, let's examine some advice given by one of our group ride leaders, who was behind me in a paceline a few weeks back, and pulls up next to me while I'm pedaling for dear life, put's his arm around me and says, "Two things: don't take too much time during your pull, you're going to blow up, and two, don't stop pedaling in the line...when we hear the buzz of rear wheel coasting, we think you are braking and it ruins our pace, just sit up and soft pedal to adjust your speed, but keep the pedals moving." He then pats me on the back and quietly takes his place back in the line.
We all appreciate good coaching...just make sure you ride at a coach level before giving it.
|speed and knowledge can be independent||DougSloan|
Aug 18, 2003 7:53 AM
|Say Eddy Merckx pulls up to you and offers advice. Now, Eddy is about 50 pounds over weight and likely couldn't hold 20 mph for a mile. Would you listen to him?
Someone could be the ultimate cycling guru coach of all time, and still be slow at present. Speed and knowledge may be totally independent.
Still, unsolicited advice isn't usually welcomed by anyone.
|speed and knowledge can be independent||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 7:59 AM
|Agree, but it's usually pretty obvious who's Eddy Merckx and who isn't out there. And again, I did try to give the guy the benefit of the doubt...the more he talked the more I knew he couldn't be Eddy...|
Aug 18, 2003 9:40 AM
|April, 2000. Austin, TX. Ride for the Roses weekend. Peloton Project celebrity ride. Eddy Merckx, all 50 pounds extra, riding 20 feet ahead of me, two riders to the right. I can attest that he can, most certainly, hold 20 mph for a mile.
|Nose clearing and or spitting - nm||dzrider|
Aug 18, 2003 7:38 AM
|well, if you had a Silca frame pump...||gtx|
Aug 18, 2003 9:01 AM
|right into the front spokes, ala Breaking Away. Otherwise you just have to ride faster and drop these kinds of losers.|
|Chilling out, mental training||off roadie|
Aug 18, 2003 9:20 AM
|I'm sure it was annoying at the time, but it sounds like it didn't really affect your day all that much in the end. Consider it "mental training". If you can't handle dorks while training, how are you gonna handle them while racing, when they may be trying INTENTIONALLY to put you off yer game?
I personally don't like to chat while I ride, but I don't assume others know that, or are being offensive by trying to do so. Like you said, the wheel-suck had zero effect on your training, and the shifting comment is one I've been tempted to make myself when I see somebody grinding up a hill. I think a simple "It may look odd because I'm working on some solo training techniques" should have done the trick- did you say anything so explicite?
As for the silca pump to the spokes, I'm waiting for somebody to give me those "shifting tips" while I'm out riding my (non-simulated) singlespeed. That would just be improving the gene pool. But usually unsolicited comments run more to the curious than the pedantic in that case.
|We have a winner.||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 2:43 PM
|O.R.- I completely agree...after much thought and reading many of these responses, I think using this distraction as one more training tool to see if you can stay focused while riding hard, is the best advice so far. Agree completely.|
|Say something like...||Sprint-Nick|
Aug 18, 2003 9:27 AM
|This is an incredibly rare situation but to be polite and still get them to leave you alone just say something like I'm sorry but this is a fairly intense training ride Chris Carmichael training systems has me doing and I'd rather not talk but if you'd like to draft of me your welcome to.
|Sounds to me like your both a$$holes!||the bull|
Aug 18, 2003 5:09 PM
|I have come up on people riding and say hi.
Usually people know who I am and talk to me.
I give advice to alot of people and usually they listen.
I do the same when people tell me something.
One thing I find amusing is when the Fred of the month is telling me he is in zone three workout and on his 6th rep of the circut(or some other crap he read in a traning bible).So he could compete in his cat 6 race next week.
|Oohh! Now I see how you got your screen name... Nm||MXL02|
Aug 18, 2003 6:33 PM
|Whats yours..||the bull|
Aug 18, 2003 6:41 PM
|a color code for a Colnago?|
|Is it hard being SO DAMN COOL?....sigh.... nm||t0adman|
Aug 19, 2003 1:16 PM