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hello, i love youJS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 5:53 AM
this was my first build, and i *agonized* over cable housing length for about 2 hours, poring over cycle sport and other magazines & catalogues, checking out pics. the rest was done using the zinn book. i have most of the necessary tools. chuck pressed in the headset cups and crown fork race. i took a hacksaw to the steerer tube. the wheels came built. so, i pretty much hung everything on the bike, installed bb & cranks, headset bearings (cage, not cartridge), controls, cables, whatever. took the majority of last night, finished at 1 AM today.

the first few rides around the block gave me the impression that this will be a stiff, responsive, did i mention stiff, ride. this bike's purpose in life is winter / bad weather / year-round training rides, and as a backup.

year 2000 look kg286 (
martec m8 1" threadless CF fork
2002 shimano 105 kit (
21 pounds as pictured (bathroom scale method)


53/39, 12/25
172.5 mm crankarms
12 cm cinelli groove stem (chuck)
2 cm stack (spacers = LBS)
generic headset (chuck)
46 cm deda nera bars
cinelli bartape
blue mavic cosmos wheelset/105 skewers
look pp296 pedals (
american classic 25.0 seatpost
brook b17 narrow (
trek bat cages (LBS)
sidewalk crouches at her feetJS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 5:55 AM
Like a dog that begs for something sweet (last pic)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 5:57 AM
Now you've done it!KG 361
Aug 18, 2003 3:26 PM
Soon, you will not be able to ride any of your other bikes. Once you've had a Look, you won't be able to settle for anything less! Welcome to the fold!
Not at all bad...Andy M-S
Aug 18, 2003 6:08 AM
That is one very cool looking bike...however, the B17 may not be your best choice for a bike that's intended to be ridden in poor, especially wet, weather. For wet weather, I'd plan to wrap a bag around the Brooks so that no moisture can get to the saddle, especially the underside. I've ridden such saddle in the rain and you have to be very careful, since the leather is part of the structure...
saddleJS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 6:25 AM
the b17n on my 'cross bike did pretty well last winter, in lots of bad weather, without protection of any kind. it's looking a bit worn, but that's ok. if i'm going to sit on it all day, it needs to be comfy--sacrifices must be made. i've tried all the other fat guy saddles, and decided on this be it~


Aug 18, 2003 8:11 AM
That frame looks like a Trek OCLV frame. It has the telltale seat, head, BB "lug" and the wishbone seatstays. I am confused. Any help?
nopeJS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 8:29 AM
made by advanced composite in asia. dave hickey has the same thing, only GT. trek doesn't make frames with 250mm seat tubes. this is a kg286, or the equivalent, without decals.
A HA!Spiderman
Aug 18, 2003 8:43 AM
I got it, Thanks. The Looks have that "webbing" between tubes which didn't show up all that well with the black paint. The treks have those big, chunky alum. dropouts which i couldn't see in the picture. Obviously, because it was a Look. Thanks for the info.
Am I missing something about Chuck's?empacher6seat
Aug 18, 2003 8:28 AM
I thought he just sold Tsunami's and other sort of no named frames? I've never seen a LOOK there!
chuckJS Haiku Shop
Aug 18, 2003 8:32 AM
he buys what he can at good prices / deals / closeouts from storage houses and factories; some of his stuff is discontinued models. others are tsunami--what was explained by paulcl last week as tubes chuck purchases, then has welded and painted with "tsunami", chuck's chosen brand name.

AC makes CF frames and other accessories for many name brands worldwide. Look is / was just one of them.
Are you going to mount fenders on this'un?Trent in WA
Aug 18, 2003 10:18 AM
negative, ghost rider (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 19, 2003 5:10 AM
Housing length tip for JS & other first-time builders...BergMann
Aug 22, 2003 9:59 AM
A tip from an old shop wrench: you need just enough cable so that in the case of a crash, the bars can rotate untill they _almost_ hit the top tube.

The "almost" is important, because if you give them more than that, having the bars smack unimpeded into the top tube can crack/ding your frame.

If you cut them too short, however, the bars will rotate untill all the slack is taken up, and then pull on the cables & housing. In a best-case scenario this would just crack your cable housing. If the force is severe enough, and your cables short enough, however, you could wind up replacing shifters or with a bent derailleur hanger.

The only problem with going by pictures of pro bikes is that their mechanics aren't worried about material replacement costs, and will go for the shortest run possible. Nice, short housing makes for clean shifting & brake feel, but the shortest possible run is not necessarily the best run for real world cycling.
thanks for the good info...JS Haiku Shop
Aug 22, 2003 10:17 AM
when i replace the cables on this bike i'll trim down the housing a bit to meet those guidelines. great info, practical, too! thanks.