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Stand or Sit on da hills(15 posts)

Stand or Sit on da hillsJeff Rage
Aug 12, 2003 5:30 PM
I've noticed that I can't keep up with my friends when going up a hill. I eventually get down to my lowest gear and can't really spin, because I'm going so slow. If I ge ot of the saddle, I can keep going with more speed.

Should I work on going up hills in the saddle or out of the saddle?

No, the hills where I live are NOT steep.
Depends on your weightKerry Irons
Aug 12, 2003 5:46 PM
Heavier guys will expend too much energy in standing, and so should remain seated. IIRC, something like your wt (lbs.) over your height (inches) should be less than 2.1 or so before standing becomes the chosen route. That said, everyone can/should stand for a few pedal strokes now and then just to relieve pressures and give different muscle groups a chance at the action.
2.1!!!!pedalAZ
Aug 12, 2003 6:00 PM
Really? That is seriously skinny. I know the pro riders are skinny, but is that ratio correct?
2.0collinsc
Aug 12, 2003 6:08 PM
and less if I dont watch what I drink. 70 inches, 140lbs... I swear Im not THAT skinny.

Kerry is right though, if you weight too much the extra work it takes to support yourself in an upright position effectively nullifies any power you may gain.

You can gain a lot with practice, but its really just an efficiency issue. Its just less inefficient for scrawny types to do it than the bigger guys.
5'10" and 140?jtolleson
Aug 12, 2003 7:21 PM
And that is not skinny?

I see that I must remain seated for the rest of my natural life...
I call it "lean" :) nmcollinsc
Aug 12, 2003 8:08 PM
130:62Jeff Rage
Aug 12, 2003 6:26 PM
Well, I'm close to the ratio you mentioned.

There are times when I HAVE to get out of the saddle, or else I'm not going anyhere. At first it tired me out. Now I'm getting more used to it.
I thought that was supposed to be kg:cm (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 13, 2003 5:53 AM
ha! that does make it a little easier doesnt it? nmcollinsc
Aug 13, 2003 6:20 AM
Whew...I feel better...Cancel WeightWatchers Membership nmbiknben
Aug 13, 2003 7:42 AM
Hallelujah, Hallelujah. NMjtolleson
Aug 13, 2003 10:07 AM
smaller standing larger sittingabicirider
Aug 12, 2003 5:57 PM
with you being a small guy you may find it in your best interest to climb out of the saddle smaller guys usally spend more time climbing out of the saddle, larger guys will spend more time seated.may be wrong here but thought I heard you burn like 100 more calories an hour out of the saddle than seated. Also hill repeats are how you get faster on hills, hill repeats should be part of regular training program all kinds of things you can add in junmps right at the last 50-100 meters of the hill, pushing a bigger than normal gear up the last part of the hill,
Be Safe Out On The Roads!!!!!!
Ray Still
mooresville, NC
try a larger cassette ;) -nmfiltersweep
Aug 12, 2003 6:55 PM
180/75 - better sitting, but I'll stand to use new muscleoff roadie
Aug 12, 2003 8:33 PM
I've been as low as 170 and I've always been a good sitting climber. That can hardly be called fat. The rule is probably whack for anybody in the outer 20% of the height bell curve, since "fit" weight basically increases / decreases with the cube of height.

I did a lot of standing climbing today because I took my singlespeed out on a long ride. The ratio is pretty low, but high enough that hills are rough. I can either sit and grind along at a painfully low cadance, or stand an hammer away at a comfortable (but exhasting) rate. The results were funny- I would blow lighter riders away while mashing up the hills, then spin like mad trying to keep up on the flats. Thankfully it wasn't a fast ride.

I persoanlly am equally fast (make that slow) either way, unless my stamina starts to go, though I guess my evidence today shows I'm a bit quicker when mashing up hills. Sitting and spinning is more comfortable and less tiring, so that's my prefered mode. On flats I'm naturally a fast spinner despite my size, so it seems to make sense to climb sitting, in a low gear. But sometimes (all to often) my stamina runs out. In that case, standing up brings in a fresh set of muscles and lets me keep going for a bit longer, or maybe speed up to make it to the hill crest with the pack. Unfortunatley, being forced to resort to such measures usually means I'm blown for a short time, and I get dropped anyhow.
re: Stand or Sit on da hillsMShaw
Aug 13, 2003 10:30 AM
I can't comment on anyone else, but I've always been faster standing than sitting on hills. I'm 5'8" and somewhere between 175-180#. (but even when I was 155#, it still held true!)

I try to alternate sitting and standing +/- 100m at a time, and it seems to keep the HR down to a managable level.

Just remember to shift a couple of gears harder when you're standing to slow down the cadence some.

Mike