|Some spicy inside TDF news||Live Steam|
Aug 12, 2003 4:14 PM
|My buddy Greg, who I was supposed to go to the TDF with this year - but I got married instead :O) has some pics that ESPN is very interested in. It seems that a podium girl who awarded the yellow after the stages, was relieved of her job for fraternizing with someone on the peleton behind one of the buses in the paddock. This is a no-no by the way. Podium girls are not, I repeat, are not allowed to mess with the riders! It was given very little attention by the media because none of them were around to catch it on film.
Well Greg, who almost always seems to find himself in the wrong place at the right time, snapped a few pics of the lucky racer and the luscious blond PG. He has the only pics known. He said he didn't see anyone else around with a camera. ESPN and a few other mags want rights to them - or at least they want to see them first to determine their interest in them. I saw the pics tonight at dinner. Heehee! Guess who it was and put it in your subject line.
|The Gerolsteiner Butt Guy? (nm)||PseuZQ|
Aug 12, 2003 4:32 PM
|Oh sorry. Please try again :O) (nm)||Live Steam|
Aug 12, 2003 4:35 PM
|Jan the Man. nm||KG 361|
Aug 12, 2003 4:47 PM
|Jan ?||High Gear|
Aug 12, 2003 4:50 PM
Aug 12, 2003 4:59 PM
|the tour "devil'?....||bicycle268|
Aug 12, 2003 5:02 PM
|how about verenque?|
|It has to be Alessandro Petacchi||PMC|
Aug 12, 2003 5:12 PM
|I hear he's quite the swordsman|
|How about Lance???||Alpedhuez55|
Aug 12, 2003 5:18 PM
|He had his much talked about marital problems|
|of course no one will believe you unless you post the pic (nm)||bicycle268|
Aug 12, 2003 5:27 PM
|Now obviously I can't post the pic. I mean .....||Live Steam|
Aug 12, 2003 6:42 PM
|it wouldn't be worth two cents to poor Greg then :O) Besides he hasn't given me a copy - YET! Oh, by the way everyone is WRONG! :O)|
|Tyler. He had to prove he could do it ALL w/a broken collarbone NM||jtolleson|
Aug 12, 2003 5:27 PM
|Tyler? Not a chance. His wife is hotter than any podium girl. nm||firstrax|
Aug 12, 2003 6:20 PM
|A hottie in hand doesn't stop the want of another....nm||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 8:44 PM
|It stopped me nm||firstrax|
Aug 13, 2003 8:10 AM
|a wise man once said:||JS Haiku Shop|
Aug 13, 2003 11:02 AM
|"no matter how hot she is, somebody is sick of her."|
|a friend put it thusly: no matter how hot she is, once she's||bill|
Aug 13, 2003 1:33 PM
|your girlfriend, she's just your girlfriend.|
|I'll take a guess and go with David Millar (nm)||abicirider|
Aug 12, 2003 5:42 PM
Aug 12, 2003 5:49 PM
|It alomost has to be Lance. Who else would ESPN (an American TV Channel) be at all interested in? H is their athlete of the year or whatever. Unless it's Tyler. . .|
|Wow, hot rumors... dish it Steam! ;-)||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 6:30 PM
|Hey RW! What do ya' think? ;-)||Live Steam|
Aug 12, 2003 6:44 PM
|All good guesses so far?|
|hmmm, it has to be somebody 'worth' the news...||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 8:42 PM
|Espn probably won't care about many of the also rans. I don't think it's Lance, but on the other hand, who would your friend Greg be stalking? which leaves Hamilton.
I'm going to go with Hamilton on this one.
|Was it GH?||Uprwstsdr|
Aug 12, 2003 6:58 PM
|One of the randy boys from down under (nm)||Skip|
Aug 12, 2003 6:58 PM
Aug 12, 2003 7:02 PM
|OK, how about a hint then. Was the rider in question...||PseuZQ|
Aug 12, 2003 7:04 PM
|...ever on the podium when said PG was awarding the yellow? (I'm not assuming he was necessarily *in* yellow...)|
Aug 12, 2003 7:04 PM
Aug 12, 2003 7:14 PM
|I like this rumor the best ;-) (nm)||newridr|
Aug 12, 2003 8:15 PM
Aug 12, 2003 7:28 PM
|Lots of GH claims on Usenet, some from respectable sources.|
|mike tomilaris ?||fraser|
Aug 12, 2003 8:28 PM
|Perhaps Victor Hugo Pena||CritLover|
Aug 12, 2003 8:33 PM
|Considering that's the most attention he ever got. XMy first thought is that it could be someone who was on the podium a lot. Victor had the yellow for a few days. My first thought is that it could be someone who was on the podium a lot. Victor had the yellow for a few days.
Couldn't be anyone TOO important, probably not a team leader, too much to lose.
Or maybe it was a sprinter, too much adrenaline after the finish! Definitely not my man Zabel, his wife is a stunner!
|I know who he is. I'll give a tip: He is French. nm||Bruno S|
Aug 12, 2003 9:41 PM
|Jean-Patrick Nazon ? nm||PatM|
Aug 13, 2003 3:44 AM
|ok, enough allready!!...||bicycle268|
Aug 13, 2003 5:23 AM
|I understand why you wouldn't want to post a picture as that would lessen it's value to your friend but how bout coming clean!!---IM DYIN"|
Aug 13, 2003 5:33 AM
|I'll bet it was TeoTeoTeo! nm||pitt83|
Aug 13, 2003 6:09 AM
|Cipo, going pirate in the peloton? nm||orange_julius|
Aug 13, 2003 6:12 AM
Aug 13, 2003 6:36 AM
|yup nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Aug 13, 2003 6:53 AM
|but wait - his girlfriend Emilie *is* a podium girl?!||philippec|
Aug 13, 2003 7:26 AM
|He met her as she was doing the podium girl gig (handing out the white jersey, if memory serves) a few years back. She is in law school now and I don't know if she was "podiuming" this past summer. If it was her, what a bummer that she got thrown out for hanging out w/ her man. If not, she must be pretty pi$$ed off!
Aug 13, 2003 7:12 AM
|Richard the French polka dot jersey, has to be, cause he is my kind of man. I have his carnac signature replica shoes, great shoes.|
|pee wee hermann (nm)||tarwheel|
Aug 13, 2003 7:18 AM
|Podium Girls are NOT allowed to mess with the riders???||Kristin|
Aug 13, 2003 8:15 AM
|I thought that was their secondary job description. Oh, and tell your friend not to sell the negatives or full rights to anyone. He should retain the rights to the images and sell only usage lisences. Likely ESPN will want to buy the photo and all rights from your friend. If he sells it outright, your friend can not sell the image to anyone else. He'll recieve a one time payment that looks big; but is less in the long run. The up side to this is that there are no contracts to manage. If he tells ESPN that he will not sell them the full rights, then they will want to buy "exclusive use" rights. Here is the decision point. He can sell the image to various publications for smaller amounts or sell exclusive rights (for a limited time) to one publication for more money. Personally, I'd shoot for the last option; but he should shop around. This will allow him to drive up the price by starting a bidding war between pubs. Good luck!!!|
|from cycling news, rider was never close to yellow.......||african|
Aug 13, 2003 8:21 AM
|Only three of the four Credit Lyonnais podium girls made it to the Champs-Elysées yesterday. Blond podium girl Alicia was thrown out of the Tour this week. The official version has it that she "kept stacking up the mistakes". But behind the scenes, the story is that she kept smiling and kissing off the podium too, with a cyclist that never came close to wearing the Yellow Crédit Lyonnais jersey. It's in the girls' contracts that they can't socialize with the riders in that way.
It's not an isolated case of butterflies kicking in during a big tour. There's always a good gossip for grabs after the Tour has left the Champs-Elysées. "Alicia wasn't kicked out because of that," her visibly offended ex-colleagues told the Belgian Press. "And even if she was, is it forbidden to fall in love? Christophe Moreau fell in love with one of the Tour Misses years ago, and they are still together!"
"Of course we get looked at," the interviewee continued. "But not only by the cyclists, mostly by the journalists! Three weeks away from the wife, hey!"
|ESPN = nickel and dime, he should go for the big league!||philippec|
Aug 13, 2003 8:26 AM
|Why is this guy looking to sell to ESPN in the first place? If the rider is french and (better yet) if the podium-girl tongue-wrestling in any way compromises the aforementioned riders marriage/existing relationship, he should be talking to the big leagues in Europe (e.g. Paris-Match, Hola, etc...) who will pay out multiple thousands of euros/dollars for "fresh" pictures (I have a friend who works in one of these places!). Keep in mind that their value decreases with every day and that this option requires 0% morals on the seller's part if the pictures lead to a break-up.
|Agreed - morality||Kristin|
Aug 13, 2003 8:33 AM
|I was posting strickly in terms of business photography licensing. But truly, if one takes an image of another in a compromising position, one should consider the emotional ramifications. The seller will have to live with themselves afterwards if they cause someone emotional pain.|
Aug 13, 2003 8:44 AM
|must be him....... otherwise this could get rather long, I have the whole start list from tour that I can go through.|
|There are legal considerations also...||BrianNYC|
Aug 13, 2003 9:23 AM
|Copyright is an interesting subject, and I don't know the laws of France/Europe, but in the US although a photographer owns the negative and the right to sell one or perhaps limited amounts of the photograph or the negative itself, they might not have the right to sell/license rights to mass copy it (as a newspaper might). That is why models sign model releases afterall, in which they give up all their rights. Of course, in this instance, at least in America, you get into issues of what is news, who is a public person, what is "public" to begin with (i.e. were they mashing in place where someone would "assume" or could "expect" privacy?) and other first amendment type issues which may negate the photographed individuals "rights." Of course, I want to know who it is and see the picture regardless.|
|There are legal considerations also...||ms|
Aug 13, 2003 10:17 AM
French privacy law: http://www.info-france-usa.org/atoz/privacy.asp
The Berne (Copyright) convention: http://www.law.cornell.edu/treaties/berne/overview.html
|Morality? I think you are mistaken.||TWD|
Aug 13, 2003 9:34 AM
|No offense Kristin,
But I think you are wrong about this one being a morality issue. If the rider in question is cheating on his wife/family then HE has the morality problem, not the guy who snapped a pic of it.
If he did something wrong, and was stupid enough to do it in public at one of the most publicised sporting events in the world, where darn near everyone is walking around with a camera, then the consequences are 100% his to deal with.
Let's not pretend the rider is some kind of victim here. He made his choices.
|Duh, I was talking about the spouse||Kristin|
Aug 13, 2003 9:59 AM
|You know, that innocent 3rd party who may or may not know about the betrayal who would be emotionally traumatized by damaging photos of her husband...that is "if" a spouse even exists.
Think about it this way. You are friends with a man who is a prominant sports figure in your city. He is happily married, but one day you catch him making out with a cheerleader behind the bleachers and you snap a couple photos of the action (already puts you into the creep category). Now you decide to sell the photos to the local paper. When the are published, your friends wife finds out the hard way that her husband is unfaithful. Are you a thoughful considerate guy or a jerk??
|Wake up and smell the coffee . . .||ms|
Aug 13, 2003 10:32 AM
|as Ann Landers would have said.
Assuming that our cyclist who is fooling around with a podium girl is in a committed relationship, I think that all involved (the cyclist, the podium girl and our photographer friend) are less than honorable. The cyclist should not be cheating on his significant other, the podium girl should not be violating her contractual obligation not to become involved with cyclists (and should not be fooling around with another woman's man) and the photographer friend should not be photographing private or intimate acts and then publishing them (even if the acts occurred in a place to which he legitimately had access and even if it is legal to publish them).
The only potentially innocent party is the cyclist's significant other. If the cyclist is doing things he should not do with a podium girl in a semi-public place, my guess is that she is not his first or his last infidelity. Notwithstanding the potential pain and embarassment that the significant other may incur when the photograph is published, it probably is better that she finds out sooner rather than later (like when she tests positive for a STD) that she is not Mr. Cyclist's only sexual partner.
|There are more appropriate and subtle methods of||Kristin|
Aug 13, 2003 10:41 AM
|informing her, don't you think?|
|I'm not sure what is appropriate here . . .||ms|
Aug 13, 2003 10:57 AM
|This scenario involves a lot of bad choices by a lot of people. Infidelity, breach of one's obligations to one's employer, invasion of privacy, profiteering from invasion of privacy, etc. My guess is that if Mr. Cyclist is not faithful that Mrs. Cyclist "knows" even if she does not know the details. But if she does not know, she is being made a fool behind her back. There is no good solution or "appropriate" way to act here with respect to informing or not informing Mrs. Cyclist.
I once had a very close colleague who was cheating on his wife (my wife and I had been guests at the marital residence, had them to our house, done other social things together, etc.). One of the few decent things he did was keep his infidelity a secret from me (although other people knew about it, I only found out after his wife knew and threw him out). I have often wondered what I would have done had I known about it before the wife, who I knew well and liked, knew about it. At the end of the day, I don't think that I would have told the wife (or told my wife, which would have been the same as telling his wife, because I am sure that my wife would have passed the information along to the aggrieved wife). But, it also would have bothered me that someone I knew and liked was being taken advantage of.
|"Are you a thoughtful considerate guy or a jerk?"||TWD|
Aug 13, 2003 11:05 AM
Let me think about that for a moment. I'd say more of the former than the latter. I make it a point to not meddle in other peoples busniess (affairs?) so I wouldn't be out snapping pictures of people going at it in public in the first place. I think I would have some explaining to do to my wife, as to why I was taking a picture of that sort of thing anyway.
You are definitly correct about the presumably innocent spouse (if there even is one). I think she would have the right to know that her husband is a lying cheating creep....but then again, but then again if he's that public with his urges then I'm sure she has her suspicions.
Let's say I snapped that photo by accident, they showed up in the background of a shot of something else for example. What would I do? I would send a copy of the photo to the spouse in an anonymous letter. That saves her the embarrassment, and he gets at least some of what he deserves.
Deep down inside, I would like to see him publicly humiliated. Though you are probably right, dragging the spouse through public humiliation as well isn't worth it.
I doubt that his contract states that he can't fraternize with the podium girls, but as a professional who gets paid good money to represent sponsors, he has an obligation to keep it in his pants and not drag his sponsor's name into negative headlines.
|i guess this will just remain a rumor (nm)||bicycle268|
Aug 13, 2003 11:12 AM
|Live Steam. Please end the debate. Who is it???? nm||BrianNYC|
Aug 13, 2003 11:14 AM
|Sorry for leavin' ya' hangin' boyz and girls, but ...||Live Steam|
Aug 13, 2003 2:43 PM
|I just can't reveal the Suave Don at the moment. Greg is still working it :O) I can assure you however, that the deed was INDEED caught on digital film. That lovely "Blond podium girl Alicia" is the unlucky, or maybe we should say, lucky :O) little lady that was caught locking lips with that certain peleton gigolo! Greg has before and after shots too! :O) If he doen't sell them, I will psot them here. Otherwise yall will have to wait to see them in the "Sunday paper"! Read all about it in the Sunday paper!" Sorry!
I need more time damn it!!!! Oh the pain ... the pain! It's killing me! (sobbing uncontrollably)
|Like everybody doesn't already know it was Kobe Bryant. nm||MB1|
Aug 13, 2003 3:59 PM
|:O) :O) LOL!!!!!!! Could be!!!!!!! :O) nm||Live Steam|
Aug 13, 2003 5:17 PM