|ok I'm a fred||BenLomond|
Aug 12, 2003 11:26 AM
|and it does'nt bother me, but I still want to know why other cyclist don't wave back? I would say maybe 10% of road
bikers will wave back. When I ride my mountain bike I would say about 75% will wave back. When I rode motorcycles fellow sport bikers would wave about 90% of the time.
just curious, thanks
|Keep in mind...||t0adman|
Aug 12, 2003 11:45 AM
|they may not see you, they may be hammering and too tired to wave, it may not be safe for them to wave, by the time they see you wave and think to wave back they're already past you, or they're just being a butt. Carry a paintball gun and see if you can tag a few cyclists. I promise you'll get a response. Maybe not a wave, but a response.|
|Esoteric secrets you missed in orientation to biking||filtersweep|
Aug 12, 2003 1:19 PM
|If you aren't wearing a helmet, I probably won't wave back... seriously, I don't wave at every car I see on the road. I grew up in a small town where everyone gave everyone they knew the subtle one finger-lift wave while in their car - the pointing finger on the hand on top of the steering wheel. While it is a bit ridiculous waving to everyone in a car (and people do).
Are you using any of the acceptable "secret bike waves" - to simply open your inside hand (usually your left) clutching the hood, or pointing with a finger on your left hand, or the more practical nod? This is much like Freemasonry. Has anyone shown you any of the secret roads- where there is no traffic and the wind is always at your back?
|Has nothing to do with that||lotterypick|
Aug 12, 2003 11:45 AM
|When ever I ride, no one waves (Santa Barbara snobs), BUT that has changed.
No it's not because I've got the Trek 5500 or the Pneumo, etc as I ride with them and none wave.
It's because I've got the Fastrack jersey (Elite bike shop). I bet I'd be the same if I had the Eschelon jersey (elite bike team).
Seems like if you're in the club or just have the jersey they're concerned you may be important or one or them, therefore they wave.
I think it's sad. I wave to everyone any way. Just because they're jerks doesn't mean you need to be one too. Maybe regular people feel better when a Fastrack or Eschelon guy waves to them. Like they're part of the cycling community, which they are and we all should be.
|Be careful out there. Don't become another statistic.||Spoiler|
Aug 12, 2003 11:47 AM
|87% of all Fred accidents are caused by Freds not paying attention to where they're going. If you spend all your time compiling statistics on what sort of people wave at you and what sort of people don't wave at you, how are you supposed to keep your attention focused the road?
Advanced Freds ride tandems. This way, the stoker is in charge of keeping all the "waves" and "wave-nots" stats on their I-pod. When you get home, you can download the data and share it with the other Freds through the UFWSN (Univeral Fred Wave-back Statistics Network).
You say it doesn't bother you, but I suspect you're just putting on a brave face. Statistics show that Waveback Snubbing is the core cause of clinical depression among 91.4% of Freds.
Relief is available through BOFO (Bummed-Out Freds Organization). At their meetings, Freds sit and wave at each other. It seems silly, but it's all about healing. If that doesn't work, just keep posting Fred-related topics here. We're here to support you.
Me, I prefer a tough-love-through-sarcasm approach.
|I couldn't tell Spoiler - ha!...nm||t0adman|
Aug 12, 2003 11:57 AM
|Spoiler, can i buy you a beer?||The Human G-Nome|
Aug 12, 2003 12:27 PM
|either that, or can you just move to NorCal and join our racing club? either way, that post was first rate and deserves the accolades. f/n eh. good work S.|
Aug 12, 2003 1:18 PM
|What's apropriately inapropriate clothing for BOFO mtngs? nm||dzrider|
Aug 12, 2003 12:41 PM
|Spoiler, you da man. too funny; again..........nm||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 3:16 PM
|you people really have a soft spot for trolls, don't you? nm||JS Haiku Shop|
Aug 12, 2003 11:55 AM
|Drag a shiny lure past me and I'm sure to bite! ...nm||t0adman|
Aug 12, 2003 11:58 AM
|you people really have a soft spot for trolls, don't you? nm||BenLomond|
Aug 12, 2003 12:09 PM
|thats twice now, you have responded with a smart comment.
What is your problem? If you don't like the post don't look at it! Just new to road bikes and this forum and have a couple of questions. I know that in the month or so I have been reading this board, there have been alot of strange characters, but if you think I'm one of them why don't you just ignore me?
|YES YOU ARE A FRED AND YOU ARE A TROLL...||african|
Aug 12, 2003 12:17 PM
|Fred the only wave you get from me from my colnago is the middle finger salute, or the V for Victory the other way around, like get lost V for vuker.|
|YES YOU ARE A FRED AND YOU ARE A TROLL...||BenLomond|
Aug 12, 2003 12:23 PM
|funny how tough everyone is on the net. I have feeling you would do neither of those things you mention if you saw me out on the road pal.|
|although the post was trollish...||The Human G-Nome|
Aug 12, 2003 12:30 PM
|dam, african... you're practically advertising your sexual frustration for everyone to see. did the post really put you off that much? geesh.
BTW, this is just a comment on a single post and not a general indictment of your poster board worthiness or the like. carry on.
|Take it easy....||MR_GRUMPY|
Aug 12, 2003 12:48 PM
|It's either a really goofy question from a Fred, a Troll, or Spanky.|
|Paging Doug Sloan.Potential fire here (nm)||PEDDLEFOOT|
Aug 12, 2003 12:30 PM
|Hmmm ,,, round here, most wave ...||Humma Hah|
Aug 12, 2003 1:00 PM
|... including a group who pretend to be seriously training who ride where I ride a lot.
But there are not too many fire-breathing serious roadracers around here.
What I've noticed about fire-breathing serious roadracers, when on a fire-breathing serious training ride (as opposed to a nice recovery spin) is that they're pretty focussed on a strip of pavement about 3 ft wide and a hundred feet or so long directly in front of them, and, frankly, they don't notice much else. And if they're in the drops, they probably won't free up a hand to wave, although they may nod and flash a few fingers (hopefully more than one). Catch them stopped, or on a recovery spin, and they're probably friendly enough.
Me, I generally just nod and ring my bell.
MTBers will wave if the riding is relaxed, but when hanging on for dear life on a downhill or grinding up a nearly impossible climb, are about as focussed as fire-breathing serious roadies.
|They don't wave because roadies are largely a-holes||KSC|
Aug 12, 2003 3:11 PM
|I've been involved in various outdoor subcultures - mountain biking, kayaking, climbing, skiing... Taken as a whole, roadies are by the far the most unfriendly. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of really nice ones and I'm not trying to "flame" anyone, but taken as a whole, the the tight-knit community that florishes in many other of these subcultures just doesn't seem to exist in road biking.
Don't believe me? Try an experiment: Put your road bike upside down on the side of the road and stand over it scratching your head. See how many people help you and how many people just ride by without looking at you. Repeat on your local mountain bike trail. I'd be suprised if it takes more than 2 people riding by before some offers help.
|On our local mtb trails...||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 3:24 PM
|if I saw more than two people it would be a traffic jam.
Around here folks will stop for another biker having trouble, it just makes sense. That guy having trouble could be me next time, so I'll stop for whoever. Of course, our roads aren't crowded with cyclists here.
I noticed when I rode in San Fran there were so many more >people< that a wave or nod or stop might be a bit more rare.
Aug 12, 2003 3:41 PM
|Whenever I've had a problem on the roads around SF, other riders always stop or yell "Need help?" or "Y'alright?"
Heck, even the bike messengers do it. Crash your bike in the financial district sometime; they'll swarm around you within seconds. It's a friendly cycling community here, I think. Any cycling community is bound to have a *few* jerks.
|oops, not dissing The City, could be any city....nm||rwbadley|
Aug 12, 2003 6:31 PM
|re: ok I'm a fred||snapdragen|
Aug 12, 2003 4:52 PM
Come over the hill to Santa Clara or San Mateo county. Most roadies I meet have a wave, nod, or smile. Me..I'm usually so exhausted I'm delerious and smile at any anyone and anything -- Hello tree! Hello horse! Anyone got oxygen?