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Aug 11, 2003 8:39 AM
Was finishing up a good 35 mile ride when I got hit square in the back with some small but very hard object. A big green pickup truck with two $!@#! %~!@# poor excuse for human #^#@^!##$ cowboy hicks sped passed me an flipped me off. Normally, I would just let it slide, but this one got to me for some reason. Why does it always have to be the $$%#W@#$ hicks in pickup trucks? I hate to generalize, but I am seeing a definite pattern forming. Maybe it's lack of education. Maybe it's too much chew stuck in their gums. Maybe they were just born to be $*#^*#$$% idiots. Lack of diversity in the gene pool?

Anybody carry a gun or some other kind self defense when they ride? God forgive me. I know it's not the answer, but it would just feel really good. Praying for patience but am loosing.
Get the license platerollo tommassi
Aug 11, 2003 8:53 AM
the best revenge is a good lawsuit. As terrible as it sounds, practice memorising license plates on your rides...just every once in a while, when a car goes by, train your eyes to the bumper....that way when something bad happens, it's a reflex....Usually a make/model/color description with just the first three or last four digits of the plate will be all the cops need to do a trace.
last 2 most recent incidents were w/ p/u trucks too...curtybirdychopper
Aug 11, 2003 9:06 AM
is there a good reason to drive a p/u if you dont build stuff or carry stuff all the time? i think if you do drive one and dont usually have cargo, then by default you are a under-educated hick! j/k, i used to drive a truck and was not a contractor or builder; now i know better.

it is funny that the last 2 times i was harrassed it was by some young dumb guys in big trucks.
not the case at allPaulCL
Aug 11, 2003 9:13 AM
My neighbors - one on either side of me - each drive P/U's. I don't know why because they don't need them. Neither is an under-educated hick. One is an anesthesiologist and the other runs the IT department of a major bank. They both just like PU's...???

About two years ago, my wife's minivan was in for service. The dealership gave us a big, big PU as a loaner. I swear each of these guys ran over to my house with big old woodies thinking I joined their PU party. NOT!
Aw hell...just shoot'em !PaulCL
Aug 11, 2003 9:08 AM
Of course, they probably carry bigger and more accurate guns than you. I agree with Rollo...get their plate number and report them for assualt. At very least, a police officer will drive up to their home. It might make them think twice next time. I think I'll practice memorizing plate numbers.

Or a more vigilante approach adopted by an attorney friend of mine: carry a gun. My friend was run off the road by a hick in a pickemuptruk. Said friend gave him the finger. Said hick then chased cyclist friend through a cornfield and up a tree. Meanwhile, driving right over his bike. Never got the plate number, but did have to buy new shorts....and bike.

My friend - a cyclist,runner, and kayaker - now carries a small pistol in a plastic bag in his back pocket. He has had to use it once. Some hick in a speedboat, probably drunk, buzzed him while kayaking. When the guy came back at him at full speed, my friend fired a shot over his head. The guy turned off, while another shot was fired over his head. It was the hick's turn for new shorts.

Good luck. Paul
where do you people live?Steve_0
Aug 11, 2003 9:54 AM
Grew up in the ocean; offshore fishing, swimming, rowing, hunting.
30 years of cycling on the roadways.
20 years of running on public roadways.

In the most densely populated state (goes for vehicular and boating traffic as well), I've NEVER encountered the rage and hostility detailed on this bored, neither land nor sea.
I live on the edge of the city and the countryPaulCL
Aug 11, 2003 12:15 PM
I live in Northern KY across the river from Cincinnati, Ohio. And no, I do not condone carrying a weapon. I was merely recounting my friends' experiences. Once before on this board, I recounted this same story. I then said, and stick to it now, that if I ever needed to carry a gun while riding, I would quit riding. My friend rarely rides anymore, he's gotten into running and mountain climbing.

In my 15+ years of cycling, I have encountered all sorts on the roads. The most common is some a**hole yelling "get off the road". That is normal. Without going into details, I have had stuff thrown at me, threatened with a 2'x4' or baseball bat - I'm not sure - I was ducking, and had a couple people purposely try to run me off the road. The most recent was three weeks ago. It cost me a tire, tube and a destroyed wheel.

In fairness, 99% of the motorists I have personal interaction with are nice, cordial, and respect my space. Almost everytime I'm on the side of the road with a flat or mechanical, someone (often in a PU) stops to ask if I need help. Heck, last week a carfull of teenagers flew past me yelling "Go Lance". Gave me a smile for 5 miles.

We just remember the idiots who threaten our lives. Motorists remember the idiot cyclist who buzz stoplights and stopsigns who threatens their lives.
can't legally shoot to scare awaykenyee
Aug 11, 2003 10:03 AM
In most areas, that is illegal and considered assault. If your life is in danger, you're supposed to shoot to stop...

And if you shoot or even show a firearm, be prepared to spend 100K in criminal court. If you wound/kill the person, be prepared to spend twice that as all the deadbeat relatives drag you through the civil court system trying to wring more money out of your hide. It's a last resort and should be treated that way...
that's a pretty broad assertion for all 50 states.Steve_0
Aug 11, 2003 10:26 AM
Beyond the variance in USE of firearms, perception of assault also varies from state to state.

Having said that, I agree brandishing a firearm for some yahoo trying to rock your boat is probably a little paranoid-overkill. Then again, if he TRULY thought the guy was gonna run him over (which I doubt he did), he was justified.
when you live in a screwed up state for a long timekenyee
Aug 11, 2003 3:38 PM
That's your perception of the world. :-P

Even in the free states like TX/VT/NH, I'd be seriously surprised if brandishing didn't get you in serious trouble w/ the police if the other guy pressed charges...

Aug 11, 2003 9:26 AM
i guess they must sell pickups mostly to the immature, ignorant or under-educated....must be a marketing plan strategy.

By your namegildomilo
Aug 11, 2003 10:13 AM
I would say you're from Fresno CA huh? I didn't think they had problems with hicks out there. Last time I was in Fresno people were soooooo much nicer to me then they are in Connecticut. It's a shame that one or two hicks can ruin a nice ride and get you fired up....
I have a friend in Connecticut andKen of Fresno
Aug 11, 2003 10:33 AM
from what he tells me, you are probably correct. People here are, for the most part, very friendly. It's a nice area with people that have a lot of pride in the local community. However, the central valley of CA is the largest agricultural area in the world, so I guess along with that comes, well, you know. Where in CT are you? My friend lives in Middletown. He manages several Cellular phone stores in the area.

I live in Lisbongildomilo
Aug 11, 2003 11:00 AM
but I work in Storrs at the University of Connecticut. Where are you in Fresno? My girlfriend/ex-girlfriend or whatever she may be right now grandparents live near the tower district sort of. I enjoyed Fresno when I was out there, I bet it's hot as anything right now.
Ever see the Tower crit?Ken of Fresno
Aug 11, 2003 11:14 AM
I'm in Clovis actually. About 20 min east of the Tower district by the new 168 freeway. I have some friends that live in the Tower district. Nice area. The local team hosts a crit around the Tower theater every year. A lot of fun to watch. The weather here has been pretty mild for summer this last week. Low to mid 90s. We just got thought a bad heat spell (up to 108 I believe), and I think we're due for at least one more before the summer's over. My friend tells me it's pretty dreary in CT now. Said the rain came down pretty hard in Middletown the other day.
No I haven'tgildomilo
Aug 11, 2003 12:43 PM
seen the tower crit. Yeah I actually know where Clovis is, her uncle lives up there. I liked it out there, it's a very nice lifestyle, a little different then things are back here. It's so dreary here, just hot and humid and rainy every day. It's been a wierd wierd year weather wise. Tons of snow this winter, now a super rainy summer. The one thing that's thriving is my garden and the lawn. I started biking into work last week and haven't been able to at all since wednesday because every morning it's been raining....
Aug 11, 2003 10:33 AM
Wow! Where are you riding in Fresno?
I have never had a problem around here. Not even a close call.
Coming back from Millerton storeKen of Fresno
Aug 11, 2003 10:43 AM
Just after I turned onto Minnewawa from Copper. I's a pretty rare thing, but from all my years of riding the trouble has usually come from hicks. I'm generally a very patient and laid back person. It was sort of out of character for me to loose it like that. I'm sure I'll regain my composure soon.

The same oleZogpound
Aug 11, 2003 10:56 AM
Thing happens here in Ohio. I live in a small farming community with great rural roads to ride. Same mentality, same pickups, Different hick.
Here's a story a friend sent me that seems to cheer everyone up after a road rage incident.

Trying to get a four-wheeler's respect, on a bike

By Joe Berkeley, 6/8/2003

s a commuter cyclist who frequently makes the bone-chilling ride from Hull
to the Back Bay, I do what I can to protect myself.

I purchased a headlight system with optional flashing taillight. A
neon-green jacket also increases my visibility.

However, I had a problem beyond visibility: How to be liked by motorists.

While most of my fellow travelers behave in a professional and predictable
manner, a minority do not. Some become enraged that I occupy up to 18 inches
on the far right side of the lane. Drivers of trucks, commercial vans, SUVs
-- even compact cars toting four to five hormonally driven youths -- have
all at one time or another hollered at me, uttered oaths that couldn't be
repeated in a family newspaper, and questioned my sexual preferences with
the enthusiasm of a lynch mob.

I theorized that if I proved to this group of angry motorists that I am

not some freak clad in spandex, but a regular guy, just like them -- someone
who shares their pain, understands their challenges -- I would extend my
life expectancy. But how? Finding an American flag on a roadside one day, I
fastened it to my rear rack and started pedaling madly. The theory of this
experiment was ''You, Mr. Chevy SUV driver, are an American, and I am an
American. We have a lot in common. From the mountains, to the prairies, to
the oceans . . .''

The angry drivers were just as angry, just as nasty, just as likely to
question my patriotism. Down came the flag.

Having spent an enormous amount of time riding past vehicles that later pass
me on the commute, I have observed the following stickers on the back
windows of those most likely to yell at me:

''I am the NRA''

''Go Sox''

''Semper Fi''

Using my desktop publishing skills, I mocked up similar signs to fit on the
back of my bicycle. Before posting them, I showed them to a noncyclist
co-worker named Kevin.

We decided that the ''I am the NRA'' sign could lead to a shooting incident.
Mounting a shotgun rack on the back of my bicycle would add an air of
authenticity, but the added bulk would be problematic.

The Red Sox approach was also complex. When the Sox win, sure, I could be
given a bit more respect on the road. But what about when the Sox lose a
close one? One bad bounce and I could be driven off the road. Until the Red
Sox win a World Series, this idea was on the back burner.

''Semper Fi'' appeared to be a strategically sound approach. Everyone loves
a Marine, so that's good. Marines know how to kill people who mess with
them, so I could inspire fear. However, what if a real Marine saluted me in
traffic? I would be a fraud. Back to the drawing board.

I knew I had a winner on my hands the second I penned it:

''Ex wife got car''

''Yeah,'' my co-worker Kevin said, nodding his approval. ''Pickup truck guys
are always mad at their wives.'' One Friday evening, I tested my
inspiration, affixing it to the back of my bicycle. Guess what I got: an
abundance of knowing smiles from my core audience -- angry men driving
pickup trucks, hormonally enraged young men traveling in packs while crammed
into small cars, homophobic van drivers, as well as petite women in
gargantuan SUVs.

I got plenty of thumbs up, too. And nods of approval.

One morning, a plumber and his sidekick rolled by in a rusty pickup. The
sidekick rolled down a window, nodded sagely, and said, ''Yeah, and I bet
you're still paying the insurance.''

Other men have said, in family newspaper-speak, ''I have been similarly
imposed u
The rest of the storyZogpound
Aug 11, 2003 10:57 AM
Other men have said, in family newspaper-speak, ''I have been similarly
imposed upon.'' And a few women have actually pulled over -- not to hit me,
but to hit on me.

Most importantly, all of the drivers who can actually see where they are
going are giving me another inch of room on the road. You can't ask for more
than an inch.

Drivers who can't see where they're going, like those helming the Grand
Marquis Presidential editions or Cadillac Broughams, just keep steaming
along as if I didn't exist.

You do what you can in this world.
Which Direction?Stepan
Aug 11, 2003 11:51 AM
Did the truck come from the east from Clovis or from the west from Fresno?? Might answer the question.
NeitherKen of Fresno
Aug 11, 2003 11:59 AM
I was heading south on Minnewawa and so was the truck. It was about 1/4 mile after turning off of Copper coming back from Millerton store. It's one of my favorite rides. Minnewawa has a huge bike lane north of town, and I rarely have problems with cars out there.
Aug 11, 2003 10:56 AM
I felt the same way until the end of last summer and a car pulled out in front of a group of `30 of us. She cause two people to crash (one broken shoulder) and she drove away. Luckly a p/U saw the whole thing and chased her down and at a stop light he got out and told her to go back or he would give the police her lin number.
Yeah, I know. It's not the truck.Ken of Fresno
Aug 11, 2003 11:03 AM
It's the driver.
as a pickup driver, I'll have to disagreetarwheel
Aug 11, 2003 11:38 AM
I ride mostly on surburban and rural roads on the edge of a metro area and encounter few problems from so-called hicks in pickup trucks. Most of the incidents I've had with rude drivers have involved teenagers, some even driving cars like Honda Civics. Occasionally someone in a pickup truck will honk or yell something, but no more frequently than those driving SUVs, sedans, etc. Jerks come in all colors, drive all sorts of different vehicles, and live all over the place.
Agreed. I had a p/u driver stop to make sure I wasSpecialTater
Aug 11, 2003 11:55 AM
ok after a crash. Most of you would have considered him a "redneck" (but most of you would probably consider me a "redneck" too though my wife won't let me buy a p/u truck).

My auto scares have been with 1) hs/college age kids in tricked out rice burners with bass thumping; 2)footie moms in SUVs or minivans nearly all on the phone and 3) big trucks.
I'll have to disagreeChen2
Aug 11, 2003 3:09 PM
Riding with my wife, a pickup pulling a trailer stopped and the driver offered to put our bikes on his trailer and boost us up this big hill. We said "no thanks" but appreciated the offer, nice guy.
I think the biggest threat is wide trailers pulled by weekend campers or boaters. The drivers are not use to the extra width.