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Am I wrong here?(27 posts)

Am I wrong here?the bull
Aug 10, 2003 3:38 AM
I won a bid on a bike on E bay.
I Told the guy to call me on my cell phone anytime.
E-mails me a reply back that he does not have a long distance carrier so he cant call me.I tell him I will call him and tell him to let me know his phone and a good time to call.He then says he does not do buisness over the phone.Tells me just to paypal him the money with in a certian amount of time or he is going to leave bad feedback!
I emailed him back and told him to do what he has to do.
I dont want to send a fair amount of money out without talking to somone.I have bad luck with transactions when ever I cant talk to a voice on the phone.
You may have just saved yourself from being scammed. nmorange_julius
Aug 10, 2003 3:47 AM
Aug 10, 2003 4:13 AM
You don't provide enough info to tell if it's a scam or not.
Why didn't you use the recommended escrow service to insure
your purchase?
The seller has no obligation to talk to or see you. Their
item description (coupled with their feedback) should be enough.
The time to negotiate your terms is before the sale. Not after.
That said, I hope it works out in your favor :-)
Aug 10, 2003 5:49 AM
In the future you should figure these things out before you even bid.
I agree that the seller is probably being a little wierd by not wanting to communicate over the phone. Seems like that would be the ideal way to communicate, then he could summarize and document the conversation via email.
If in doubt, don't. (nm)Spoke Wrench
Aug 10, 2003 5:17 AM
maybe he wants to use the conditions of purchase he specifiedterry b
Aug 10, 2003 6:24 AM
maybe he doesn't want to talk on the phone and what's the difference between talking and email - can you read the honesty in his voice? if he set up an auction and told buyers his preferred method of paying and offered shipping options, what's to talk about? I'd do the same thing he did, I hate talking on the phone, it's a waste of my time and takes selling on eBay to a live of personal interaction that frankly it was not designed for. Funny, I've never had a buyer ask to speak with me. If you have a thing about talking to the sellers you ought to make that clear up front before you bid. At this point I'm sure he thinks you're stalling, I would.
Maybe the voice is good but...the bull
Aug 10, 2003 11:25 AM
I also feel better about doing business when the caller ID on my phone matches up with who they say that they are.
I did not sell an Ellsworth to someone awhile back because the caller ID was always from a pay phone and they wanted to ship it to a busness address COD.This seems like a good whay to get a forged check because UPS will take any thing to get the package off the truck then will not be accept fault.
I think it is one way to insure you know who you are dealing with.
which is exactly why I wouldn't want to call youterry b
Aug 10, 2003 2:06 PM
Look at it from the other side for a moment - the last thing I want to do is give my number to some stranger from God knows where. Let's say I'm an innocent seller, I give you a good deal on a product, as described. You, for whatever reason (justified or not) don't like it. Let's say you're a bit of a nut. Now I'm getting phone calls 24 hours a day, during all hours over some eBay transaction. I refund your money, you keep harassing me just for kicks. Don't forget, there are also searchers that link phone numbers to addresses. Now, you've blown me into Homeland Security as an Al Qaeda operative all because you didn't like the scratch on a Ksyrium rim.

Like it or not, one of the beauties of eBay is a limited amount of anonymity. If you're not comfortable with that, you should be dealing at swap meets, LBSs and the want ads. As a seller and a buyer, I'm interested in a simple business transaction that involves as little personal information as possible. Money changes hands electronically, we end our virtual partnership.

I'm betting this guy is a straight as an arrow, and only wants to close the deal without all this added crap. The difference between him and me though is if you sent me your cell phone number and told me to call you, I'd say "thanks anyway, I'll cancel your bid and re-list the item." I wouldn't bother with negative feedback.

And as far as your example above - if anyone asked me to send something COD the answer would be "no" in all circumstances. Wouldn't matter if caller ID had told me the number was a pay phone or not. Money in hand or the goods don't ship - very simple.
Not at all, sounds like a big scam-ollafolsom_rider
Aug 10, 2003 7:22 AM
I think you did the right thing and I would encourage you to fight the neg feedback if he tries that. Sounds like a scam to me. If in doubt, go with an escrow service and split the cost.
You MAY have done the right thingB2
Aug 10, 2003 7:28 AM
to avoid a potential scam, but you probably deserve the negative feedback for not clarifying things BEFORE you bid. There's not always time to do so, but maybe those are auctions that you should simply pass on or take the risk and abide by the sellers terms.

grassy knoll conspiraciesstephenb
Aug 10, 2003 8:10 AM
Rather than being a victim and seeking validation on this forum. I suggest all potential eBayers do their homework.

eBay will gladly cough up the seller's phone number upon the buyer's request. Here's the page from eBay's site:

How can I request someone's contact information?

You can request a user's name and phone number directly from eBay by clicking on the link below:

To better protect the privacy of eBay users, you can only request contact information for eBay users who are involved in your current or recent transactions. Examples are:

· Sellers can request contact information for all bidders in an active transaction and the winning bidder in a successful, closed transaction.

· Bidders can request contact information for a seller during an active transaction and in a successful, closed transaction if they are the winning bidder.

The information you request will be sent via email to your registered eBay email address. This information can only be used in accordance with eBay's Privacy Policy. The user whose information you are requesting will also receive your contact information.
I dont want to overstep my boundries!the bull
Aug 10, 2003 11:27 AM
If the gut does not want me to call him I wont.
I just wont do buisness with him thats all.
You won't buy from a deaf guy? (nm)53T
Aug 10, 2003 4:10 PM
Why, is that his next excuse?nmthe bull
Aug 10, 2003 6:12 PM
I think Paypal now offers insurance for a few bux....High Gear
Aug 10, 2003 8:23 AM
Look into it. I sell and buy lots of bike stuff on e-bay. I have never been scamed but on the other hand I never purchased big dollar items. Go back and click on the number next to the star after his name. You can look up his other auctions that way and get a feel for things. Look at his past transactions to see if they are bike related. I have heard of a lot of funny things going on with identity stealing and all. I'm not sure if that is true anymore...I'm sure e-bay capped it. I would try to do the insurance or the escrow thing. Let us know what happens. Good Luck!
probably not a scam...butbicycle268
Aug 10, 2003 8:58 AM
I really hate anal retentive retards that will only do something one way with no variation. He wishes to do business via the internet, via e-mail. He is inflexible in his position to the dismay and frustration of all who deal with him.

Then again I may be a little over the top. He could very well be a scammer...
yes, you are over the top....(nm)stephenb
Aug 10, 2003 9:17 AM
yeah... I guess you're right....(nm)bicycle268
Aug 10, 2003 11:25 AM
I dont think your over the top!the bull
Aug 10, 2003 11:35 AM
That is why I think this guy can kiss my @$$.
I want the bike.
I dont want bad feedback.
I hate to support @$$holes.
Is there not any respect to some one buying your goods.
I would love to talk to someone about how I am going to ship their bike.
I would not be a rude jerk like this guy!That is why I am turned off by doing buisness with him.
re: Am I wrong here?cyclejim
Aug 10, 2003 11:44 AM
It just seems shifty the way he first said he didnt have a LD carrier (yea right!) and then the truth came out that in fact he didnt want to talk on the phone. There is a lot to be said for talking to someone in my opinion. I had a guy ship me a bike WITHOUT pre-payment, but it was contingent on us talking first. He just said, hey I trust you and I have done a lot of deals like this in the past and never got ripped off. I got the bike, checked it out and then sent him a money order right away.
I don't have a long distance carrier.Spoke Wrench
Aug 10, 2003 12:23 PM
Whenever I want to make a long distance call, I use one of the 10-10 numbers. I pay no monthly charge, just for the minutes that I actually use.
I he was gonna lie about that.the bull
Aug 10, 2003 1:44 PM
He might have lied about other stuff as well.
Just another thought.
and I hate talking on the phoneterry b
Aug 10, 2003 2:08 PM
to a degree that you wouldn't understand. there is no way I'd spend a minute talking to someone from an eBay transaction. email works just fine.
Your just above everyone else I guess!the bull
Aug 10, 2003 6:09 PM
You would probally prefer to use a vending machchine that deal with a person behind a counter. You might have to say hi or something .Why would I want to talk to some low life I am just to good for anyone.
you don't understandterry b
Aug 10, 2003 6:24 PM
I *really* hate talking on the phone. It's nothing to do with you, or other people or anything else - I just hate the telephone. It has nothing to do with being "just too good for anyone." It's not the people, it's the phone.
Ok, I believe you.djg
Aug 11, 2003 6:49 AM
You really hate it, fine. You can hate it if you want to and you can incorporate that hatred of the telephone into any e-bay deal you want to make. But most folks don't feel quite your aversion to the phone. Hence, the huge number of phones in our society.

Given that, and given the fact that many folks might reasonably expect at least a modest sliver of an assurance that they're dealing with a real person, and not a cipher or a shell, before sending money to a total stranger, it seems to me that a buyer might reasonably anticipate that a seller who will not identify himself and will not converse on the phone is thereby signaling an intent to breach. I'm not saying that this is a necessary conclusion, but I do think it reasonable. I wouldn't see this as a case of the BUYER changing the terms of the deal, after the fact, unless the deal stated explicitly that there would not be any telephone contact between the buyer and the seller.
I agree with bull on this onetarwheel
Aug 11, 2003 4:44 AM
I've bought several used frames on-line that turned out to have crash damage when I received them. In both cases, I had talked to the owner ahead of time and we worked out details -- such as their word that I could return the frames if not satisfied. You can tell a lot by talking to someone in person, or at least over the phone. If someone wouldn't talk to me over the phone, I would say no deal. However, I do agree that you should have tried to communicate with the seller before the auction was over. Did you exchange any emails during the bidding? If the guy gives you a bad feedback, so be it. That's better than losing a bunch of money in a bad deal.