Aug 8, 2003 2:41 PM
|I'm just getting back into biking after a good deal of time off.
I'm still fast for a regular person and I've been back for like three weeks (since I bought a Trek 5500), but I went out last Saturday with a group and got dropped on the way home.
Sad about it. Made some technical errors like moving out of the paceline and trying to get on the past wheel with a simple move rather than speeding up so I didn't miss it.
I missed it and didn't have the heart (another problem) to go get it. I got home great but not especially tired.
I'm going out again saturday. I'm going to work harder to stay with them and even if it hurts stay on. I was a chicken, but then again never did the route before nor knew the distance.
Next time will be different!! I hope.
One thing I did notice is that they spin fast and still move away from me. I think that must be a strength thing. Just got to keep working. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
|What do you mean by...||TFerguson|
Aug 8, 2003 3:00 PM
|"One thing I did notice is that they spin fast and still move away from me."?
|What do you mean by...||lotterypick|
Aug 8, 2003 3:12 PM
|I noticed they were spinning faster than me, so I shifted to a gear to try to match it as I was concerned I was Jan Ullriching it and going to blow up.
But they just inched forward even though I was spinning at the same pace. The only difference must be strength coupled with gears.
I noticed they were on the little ring and I was on the big ring (at different times).
In short I was trying to match them, but it was all off.
I'm using a 12-27 instead of the standard 11-25 which may be part of my matching problem.
Think I should just forget trying to match them and ride like I naturally would. Meaning, bigger gear and lower cadence. What should be my long term goal besides keeping up.
|Work towards the higher cadence...||TFerguson|
Aug 9, 2003 4:30 AM
|You will, eventually, go longer and faster with a 90+ cadence. All you need is to keep riding and you will keep up.
|re: Got Dropped||MrCelloBoy|
Aug 8, 2003 3:22 PM
|I know the feeling. This happened to me many years ago. I sold my road bike and got into mountain biking over it for a number of years. Then I got another road bike and got back into it. I've done many "doubles" since then.
One can't always push as hard as you'd like. If the goal is to keep up I suggest creating a training plan for increasing your strength, speed and endurance. If you keep on track you'll see improvements. Bicycling magazine occasionally has articles that have valid guidelines for working on specific areas of technique.
|re: Got Dropped||CarbonJoe|
Aug 8, 2003 4:28 PM
|One common "beginner" mistake is to try to "pull" too long / too hard so that you are close to your max heart rate, then by the time you give up the lead, if you lose the draft you'll NEVER catch up again, since you're already maxed out.
If the group you're riding doesn't mind, they can either drop their pace so that you can hang on, let you draft without pulling, or let you pull at a "reasonable" pace (for your current fitness level). It is good to ride with stronger riders, since they can help make you a stronger rider.
As far as what cadence they're using vs. you, the casette usually doesn't really figure into it unless you're climbing steep hills or trying to maintain a super fast pace (like > 27 mph), since you're usually not in either the lowest or highest cog. Most casettes overlap quite a bit.
Higher cadences usually move more of the work load to your cardiovascular system instead of your leg muscles. Mashing does the opposite, and until you're more fit, your legs will give up the ghost before your cardio system will. It takes time to build up both. Get a Cateye Astrale cyclocomputer which has cadence and a heart rate monitor. Then you can concentrate on increasing cadence and where you are in relation to max heart rate.
Oh yeah, ride more and keep the rubber side down.
|Patience my young Padowine..||shakyfish|
Aug 8, 2003 4:42 PM
|I don't know how to spell "Padowine"-Star Wars quote.
Fitness seems to never be at a level that we are satisfied with. You said you made an error so do not get down on it. These guys were likely happy to drop you.?? They were probably laughing about it over the water cooler the next day. Most groups would at least make sure you stayed with them as long as it was within reason.
As I tell the boys baseball team that I coach- "never let them in here"-pointing at my head.
I would ride alone to train up that wind pushing endurance. Maybe mix in some 20 second sprints to help with catching the back of the draft.
|My "words of wisdom"||Indurain 03|
Aug 8, 2003 7:11 PM
|My advice is simply to push yourself further and further each time you ride. When trying to keep a higher pace than normal, half of the battle is simply convincing yourself that you can do it. The human body is capable of extraordinary things. If you tell yoursef you can keep up and push harder you will be able to. This applies in all areas of life not just cycling.|
|The only way you improve is by riding with faster cyclists...||DINOSAUR|
Aug 9, 2003 4:36 PM
|I've been riding by myself most of the time for the past 5 seasons. I started to hook up with a group from my LBS. I was a little bit intimidated at first as they were all hard-core roadies and a lot younger than I. I thought I would get dropped right off the bat. We went for early morning 25 mile ride (most of these people worked) and I hung in with them intil we hit the hills and I did o.k. until we were about halfway up the hill and I got dropped like a hot potato. I was in my 39x23 gear and most of them were in their 39x19. But when the road leveled out I slowly reeled them in and when we started to descend low-and-behold I was one of the lead riders. It might have been because I have ridden the same roads day in and day out and I am familiar with them. The only way you improve is by hooking up with a group that has some riders that are a level ahead of you. It's nice also if you have a group that does not leave anyone behind and will slow down and wait if you get too far back. I still like riding alone, but I'm making the group rides a couple a week type thing. You don't know where you are unless you ride with a group. Don't be afraid to get dropped, it's no big thing. I thought I would be horrified, but I hung with them and was one of the first one's back to the coffee shop. Everyone gets dropped at one time or another. Just work on your base mileage then hone in on your aerobic capacity. For what it's worth- it took about 20,000 miles on my legs until my cycling started to take off. It all comes with time (as I am finding out)....
|The only way you improve is by riding with faster cyclists...||Live Steam|
Aug 9, 2003 7:13 PM
|I have to agree with Dino on many points. You have to ride with faster riders to get faster. Who cares about getting dropped. You are a big boy. Your on your bike and hopefully know your way home. Also time and miles will help you improve.
Many factors go into making you a strong rider. Proper pedaling technique, proper breathing, proper fit on the bike, proper diet and fueling, proper hydrating and proper mental attitude. When you are "in the zone" sort of speak, you will be spinning away like those other guys were. You must be relaxed and not gripping the bars too tight as that in itself, wastes energy. Keep a light grip on the bars and get yourself in a comfortable position on the saddle. Sometimes you need to adjust you position on the saddle for certain types of situations. Taking a long pull on the front, you may want to be more forward on the saddle and over the pedals to keep a high cadence. Riding a modest incline at a high rate of speed, you may want to be back in the saddle, using your glutes to help motor you along. This "feel" for what you need to be doing when, comes with time in the saddle. I can't stress too much how being relaxed helps and how tension saps your energy. Saty relaxed and don't let the stress from fear of being dropped, drain you of valuable energy. You get dropped, you still live to ride another day :O)
Good luck and happy riding.
|re: Got Dropped||aliensporebomb|
Aug 9, 2003 10:21 PM
|I know the feeling.....
I was a serious cyclist, didn't get my drivers license until
I was 27, then became a sedentary slug for eight years. I've
been riding again for a few years mostly mountain biking but
last year and this year I got into the road again.
Recently I rode with Scot_Gore and Geardaddy here on the forum
and I learned a few things (1) even though I kept getting
dropped on the climbs, I never stopped and gave up and (2)
I was able to catch up with them on the flats or use momentum
from descents to catch up if I needed to.
Eventually, I was able to hold my own until I ran out of
water about 5 miles from the finish. But it was fun
Look, it's going to take some time to get to the level
of fitness some of these hammers have. Even if you're at
you're optimum you'll always run into someone who is really
gifted and can rage if he needs to.
But you'll have something that you can polish into whatever
your own cycling "gift" happens to be. Just keep working
at it and try not to get discouraged. Even Lance was a
beginner once (hard to believe I'd say).