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No Room for Cyclists.....(19 posts)

No Room for Cyclists.....Creaky Carnivore
Aug 7, 2003 6:11 AM
I thought I would post this letter to the editor from our local Harford County, Maryland newspaper known as the "Aegis". It is in response to a previous letter by a bicyclist requesting patience and "extra" room from drivers. A bit of background: Harford County is a fairly rural area NE of Baltimore with approximately 275,000 residents. It has rolling hills and beautiful open roads just asking to be ridden.

People are idiots...don't bother getting bent about this stuff..biknben
Aug 7, 2003 6:33 AM
You can't convince an idiot they are wrong...

You can write into the newspaper with a response but I doubt they will continue to publish it. They published a comment and a response. They will most likely move on to another topic.

This lady will be b!tchin soon that the MUTs aren't safe to walk her dog on because of all the bikers doing 25 mph. Face it, she has a gripe and she will b!tch about it until she's six feet under. We could engulf the newspaper in a sea of mail and this lady will continue on her present course.
re: No Room for Cyclists.....sievers11
Aug 7, 2003 6:53 AM
1) Have you driven your bike today?
2) Are bike not allowed on sidewalks in Maryland?
3) Good thing she is concerned about us having insurance for when we slam into her car so we can cover her medical bills.

4) Can you say "Critical Mass in Harford County".
I'd never go so far to suggest flaming bag o'poop on porch (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 7, 2003 6:57 AM
One of her bullit points tells the entire storyKristin
Aug 7, 2003 7:09 AM
* Have flashers or pull over when you are unable to keep up the posted speed of 50 MPH on Route 543.

Appearantly, she had to slow down and get around a rider on Route 543 (A 50mph, 2 lane highway with no shouler) during rush hour yesterday morning and it gave her an idea for a new story with which to justify her existence.

Most of her points are meaningless, but I agree with her on this one...kinda. There is a street like Route 543 in Aurora called Butterfield Road. Its not for bikes. I got onto it one day, thinking it would be fine. During my 4 mile, white knuckle trip I was buzzed by 8 semi's. Honked at by 10 vehicles and sworn at twice. I create a very dangerous situation for myself and the drivers on the road who had no way to safely pass me. It would mystify me why a cyclist would want to be on such a road to begin with. That ride was NO fun and understandably frustrating to drivers.
but i'd still never consider TP rolling her front yard nmJS Haiku Shop
Aug 7, 2003 7:12 AM
Butterfield RdMisJG
Aug 7, 2003 9:00 AM
I've ridden some pretty crazy roads and generally have no fear of the roads I choose to ride. I would not even consider riding on Butterfield Rd. There is no good section for bikes. I'm glad you made it ok. You prolly came close to what, 5 minutes or so for your 4 mile TT? But that was with a (sheilded by all the semi's) tailwind.


PS. On a completely unrelated tangent. . . My friends and I once did a 'Memorial' century (forget the name) somewhere in central Illinois where a rider had been killed and her friends/family put together a century in her honour. After riding the route, we decided that if she rode on the roads they had us riding on, then it's no wonder she was hit! We nicknamed the ride the "Road-Kill Ride" as we had never seen so much road-kill on one ride before (and that's why I can't remember the real name).

It just goes to show though, as much as we would like to think otherwise, some roads are just not for bikes.
Where is Butterfield Rd? (nm)Creaky Carnivore
Aug 7, 2003 9:17 AM
Chicago Suburbs (nm)MisJG
Aug 7, 2003 9:29 AM
Here's a pict for you KristinChicago_Steve
Aug 7, 2003 10:26 AM
I commute from Wrigleyville up to the Niles/Morton Grove area for work on a daily basis. Sometimes even the bike lanes aren't suitable for bikes!

Lawrence Ave. near the Kennedy at 5:30pm on a weekday... Note - I don't ride this route as much as I used to...
Ack! One of the many reason I don't live in Chicago. nmKristin
Aug 7, 2003 11:18 AM
Lawrence Ave sucks!rollo tommassi
Aug 7, 2003 1:21 PM
I just take the full 'car' lane when people are double parked like that. If anyone complains, I just say "talk to the guy who is double parked!"

Chibikefed was working with CPD to crack down on these drivers, but I think they only targeted the dreaded Wells St. area.

Perhaps a flaming bag of poop on double parked cars could be the first warning before a ticket?
Minivan in the bike lane??Alexx
Aug 8, 2003 9:31 AM
Hell, I'd key her paint as I ride by!
well then...EpicX
Aug 7, 2003 12:51 PM
"share the cost" hey, i drive too, i pay my share ya idiot.

i guess this mean i have to ride on the sidewalk now. move your fat a$$ comin thru!
who's streets? OUR STREETS!suedehead
Aug 7, 2003 12:57 PM
whoever wrote this probably drives some gas guzzling SUV.

anyway... this person also doesnt realise that bicycles are not just for fun and recreation. what a jack ass.

i live in NYC and i commute everyday on my bike.
i can tell you that the bike lanes here basically SUCK and people ignore them and just use them as an easy way to pass through traffic. total a**holes.

in the last month two people i know have gotten in hit-and-run situations with people driving wrecklessly.

go play somewhere else?
this isnt play.
its transportation for some, and the way some make a living (messengers!).

i'd like to say to this guy - go ruin the environment somewhere else.
Hey JS Haiku Shop, got any ideas? :-) (nm)CHRoadie
Aug 7, 2003 1:24 PM
would never suggest ordering 3 doz pizzas for JoAnn deBorja (nm)JS Haiku Shop
Aug 8, 2003 9:42 AM
re: No Room for Cyclists.....Rower
Aug 7, 2003 2:52 PM
There seems to be a lot of talk lately about how bicyclists don't share the financial burden of roads since the don't pay vehicle title fees and road taxes.

I work as an architect/urban designer and was reading a book on the subject recently which sited a source saying,

"User fees such as tolls and gas taxes are estimated to cover only 9 to 18 percent of the cost of using cars the way we do. Only part of the rest is covered by government subsidies from income, sales, excise, and property taxes. The remainder is fobbed of in the form of government debt..."

Granted, this was a rather ant-car author so I'm in the process of verify the sources, but if it's accurate than the argument of bicyclist not paying for the roads is pointless. We all pay income and sales taxes and most of us pay property tax. In fact I'd be willing to bet the average bicyclist pays more in those taxes than any suv driving hick that trys to door bang me as he passes on the road.
re: No Room for Cyclists.....jhart11
Aug 7, 2003 6:51 PM
If you would like to harass this c*nt. Here is her contact information. I recommend a payphone.

deBorja, JoAnn
Home Town Realty
She works for Hometown Reality. This may be her work number.