|Steel or Ti||SprocketMan|
Aug 6, 2003 1:21 PM
|I am trying to decide against a Steelman and a Litespeed. I personally can't tell any difference in the ride. The Ti is a little lighter. Does that really matter. Can anyone else compare these two frames for me?|
|re: Steel or Ti||Rusty Coggs|
Aug 6, 2003 1:33 PM
|Even if one could,how would it possibly apply to you. Maybe I'm a 6' 200 pounder,and you are on the other end. And you don't even mention what models, not that it really matters,but it might.|
|re: Steel or Ti||gtx|
Aug 6, 2003 1:41 PM
|Assuming you are comparing two frames of basically the same size/fit/geometry (say the 57c-t Classic vs. the 56c-c SR) I would say it would come down to such things as: do you like paint (or powdercoating in this case)? do you like the "idea" of ti or steel? do you like buying from a one-man shop vs. big company? do you like being able to pick you braze-ons, cable routing, etc.? Do you live in Hawaii or a very humid place where maintaining steel would be a hassle? And of course, the price difference. Note: the following opionion is out-dated by about 8+ years and intended as LS bashing, but when I worked in shops and built up both frames, I saw a few LS frames with QC issues, and never saw a Steelman with a QC issue. I've also known plenty of people to get sick of their LS frames (for whatever reason--maybe they saw too many others on the road) whereas most Steelman owners tend to get a bit goofy and rhapsodic. Heck, if you truly can't decide get the LS and put a Steelman fork on it and call it a day. ;)|
|re: Steel or Ti||TWD|
Aug 6, 2003 4:22 PM
|"I've also known plenty of people to get sick of their LS frames "
I'd bet that has everything to do with the personality of the person who bought the litespeed and very little to do with the ride qualities of the bike itself.
I'm not trying to bash on litespeeds or litespeed owners, but a fair share of the litespeed owners that I have known have been more of the gotta have the coolest status symbol bike, but then get bored with it 5 minutes later, types.
|Hey thats me!||the bull|
Aug 6, 2003 6:08 PM
|I'll bet I can out ride you though!:)|
|Hey thats me!||Terry_Swisher_PMF|
Aug 6, 2003 6:24 PM
|Your tire labels aren't even with your valve stems. Attention to detail.|
|Nah, wasn't talking about you Bull||TWD|
Aug 7, 2003 1:18 AM
|You don't fall into this category. See, you took off your LS decals. That negates the whole status symbol thing. You ride it because that's what you like and what you want to ride. Stealth mode is cool.
No, I'm talking more about people like a couple I know that has too much money. So, they go out and buy "his and hers" matching litespeeds (matching LS jersies too). Every time I talked to them it was like one big friggin contest for them to show me how nice their stuff is or how much it costs. They always talk like they know everthing, when in reality they don't know jack about anything. All they know is $$$$$ = must be better than everything else. They've got no personality whatsoever. Just money. Good thing I now live 2,500 miles away from them.
This whole pet peave of mine isn't about Ti bikes though. I ride a TI hardtail MTB (not a LS though).
I must admit though, I do hate Seven bikes with a passion. This hatred has it's own story too. A couple 6 years ago, this lady shows up on on of our club rides riding a Seven. She seems like a fairly strong rider, and somewhat pleasant looking, so half the guys in the group are flocking around her drooling all over her and her bike. Was this a problem with me? No not really.
The problem was that little miss motormouth would not shut up about how great her Seven was, and how it was custom, and how much it cost her and ....yak yak yak my Seven this and yak yak yak my Seven that. On and on and on she went until I was just wishing someone would just shoot me, or better yet her.
Then relief came. We hit the open roads on the outskirts of town, and the big boys put the hammer down and we dropped miss motormouth and her cluster of drooling idiots like a bad habit. All I heard was yak, yak, yak, yak off into the distance.
In all seriousness, though, I could care less what people ride. For that matter, I don't care all that much about what I ride or what people think of my bike. I just keep the mouth shut and let the legs talk.
Oh, and as for this business about you out riding me.....All I say to that is that I'll meet you out by the bike rack after school. We'll see just how tough you are Mr. Smarty Pants!!!
|re: Steel or Ti||FatManLittleBike|
Aug 6, 2003 5:14 PM
|If you are of average proportions and you've gotta little extra money go for the litespeed. If you need a custom frame and/or you are needing to budget your purchase then go with the steelman. If you are still having trouble, go with the one you think is coolest. There really is no bad choice between the two.|
|re: Steel or Ti||TWD|
Aug 7, 2003 1:31 AM
|I haven't ridden a Steelman or a Litespeed, but I've ridden and owned steel and Ti bikes (aluminum and CF too for that matter). If you can't tell any difference in the ride quality, or rather don't have any real preferences, I'd say go with whichever fits you better.
As for the weight issue, a little extra weight in the frame doesn't really matter. Do you notice a difference in your climbing abilities or acceleration when your water bottles are full vs. half empty? I sure don't.
One nice thing about a Ti frame is that the finish can take a heck of alot of abuse and still look good. Can't say the same about painted or powdercoated frames especially if you go with a fancier color that may be hard to touch up. Ti is also really worry free if you do lots of wet weather riding.