|Does anybody else follow this kind of route just to avoid||Kristin|
Jul 30, 2003 10:48 AM
|major highways? This is how I get out of town. Everything else is 4 lane 45+ highways.|
|yes; often nm||DougSloan|
Jul 30, 2003 10:51 AM
|Sure! That's the fun||PaulCL|
Jul 30, 2003 10:55 AM
|I hate riding on busy roads. Rarely do I ride to get to a specific place. I ride for the miles...OK...the fun of it. As long as the # of cars is low, I'm happy.|
|Good. I actually enjoy these neighborhoods.||Kristin|
Jul 30, 2003 12:55 PM
|I just wondered if anyone else goes through so much trouble to create these crazy routes connecting a million >1 mile streets together. The big horseshoe at the top of my route goes through a large, executive golf community. Its less than 5 years old, the streets are wide, smooth and quiet. Most of the sub-divisions have large unique houses. Even the copycat single family divisions are pretty to look at. This morning held the first signs of autumn as the mist was rising off the many streams and ponds in the development. The only people I saw were 2 dog walkers and a jogger. With no wind, it was a pristine ride.|
|I do it to avoid ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 30, 2003 10:57 AM
|A 6-lane congested highway and 2-lane heavily-traveled roads with no shoulder. My route to work avoids a couple of nasty roads by using neighborhood routes that look a lot like your map. There are plenty of options to stretch the ride, too. I can turn a 5-mile commute into 15, most of that within 2 miles of home!
I actually don't mind the 4-lane highways if the traffic is light. There's plenty of room for bikes on a road like that.
|I do the same thing to avoid heavy traffic||MR_GRUMPY|
Jul 30, 2003 10:59 AM
|The first 10 miles of my normal route is on side streets and bike paths, before I get out on the open road. We use this time to warm up and to get the conversations over with, before we pick up the pace.|
|all the time||tarwheel|
Jul 30, 2003 11:06 AM
|If you ride in metro areas, you pretty much have to improvise routes to avoid traffic. I enjoy riding down neighborhood streets, you just have to learn the routes. I avoid heavily traveled roads whenever possible, as there are no bike lanes in my city. The city does have some "bike routes" marked with signs, and they look remarkably similar to the map you posted. |
For longer weekend rides, most cyclists in this area head out rural roads on the edge of the city.
|all the time||lemmy999|
Jul 30, 2003 11:34 AM
|that is exactly the way it is in knoxville, TN. no bike lanes anywhere. IMO Knoxville is not a very bike friendly place.|
Jul 30, 2003 12:16 PM
|The metro areas have been built up along freeways. Period. The suburbs couldn't "flourish" until they existed. It feels rather retro taking some of the pre-freeway routes out of town- where there are still old motels, restaurants, etc. in what are now odd locations.|
|Around here, its sometimes the opposite ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 30, 2003 12:44 PM
|In Northern Virginia, they're way behind in road improvements, but that doesn't stop the developers from building subdivisions. Manassas exploded in growth when Va 28, a main route in to town from I-66 to the north, was just two lanes, and backed up its whole length every morning and evening. Now, that's been 4-6-laned, but they're developing like mad south of town, where it is still 2-lane.
My company is moving out to a new industrial park ... 6 miles of congested 2-lane, with no shoulder, to reach it, and I'm trying to figure out how to do it safely on a bike. Similar roads south of Nokesville are a delight: traffic is light and we run MB1's NSA-OCE century on them. But with constant heavy traffic in both directions, they're murder. A nice freeway might help reclaim them.
|The problem of modern sub-divisions||Kristin|
Jul 30, 2003 1:12 PM
|The trend in suburban sub-divisions isolated communities. Since they rarely inter-connect your forced to spend some time riding on heavy roads. And if you use a sub-division to get off the busy road, you will at a minimum of 1-2 miles to your route. Do that 10 times and you've got a really long commute. It's taken me 10 months to carve out that map above. (Of course, I live at the edge of undeveloped farmland. Within 5 years it will all vanish and condos will be built, interspersed with a gazziolion new mini-malls selling more products that will keep us from healthy life-styles.) Stop the world, I want to get off.
If these types of developments haven't been growing in your area, just wait. Endless condo & townhome complexes will soon arrive. Chicago is said to be a trend setter for the housing industry all over America. Disposable homes, isolated sub-devisions, condos and townhomes are all the rage here.
|I think they grow from spores ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 30, 2003 1:18 PM
|... every time it rains, another one pops up.
Motorists, of course, see bicycles as frivolous ... why spend money on widening the pavement just a little, or adding bike lanes or paths, when bikes are not really a viable means of commuting? After all, its really dangerous with all those cars out there. Besides, the air is so bad around her, often code orange or red, that who would want a means of transportation that requires heavy breathing?
Give me a 12" strip of asphalt, and I'll keep one motor vehicle off the road.
|The problem of modern sub-divisions||gtscottie|
Jul 30, 2003 1:46 PM
|Move to Alberta. In the town I live in each developer has to allow 1/3 of the development for green space(parks/playgrounds) and bike paths. As a result there are lots of nice quick escapes out of the city and you don't have to touch a road until you are out of town in the quiet country. Cool hey!!|
|Ya really gotta...||MShaw|
Jul 30, 2003 1:47 PM
|stop telling people about Nokesville! My little brother won't have any roads to ride on any more.
Marshall. That's the ticket!
|More SUV's and minivans at ride meeting points here||Straightblock|
Jul 30, 2003 1:22 PM
|than there were in the theater parking lot when we took my son to a Raffi concert a few years ago. I'm glad to see there are still people who start their rides at their doorstep. It's disappointing to see club riders driving to the start of a 50 mile ride when they only live a few miles away. I think many of them never learned to ride in an urban or suburban environment, or just don't want to bother with a stopsign or signal every 1/4 to 1/2 mile. Maybe they're just conditioned to use their cars for everything they do.
I start 95% of my rides from my driveway. Most of the time I'm meeting a few buddies at one their homes, and I think the extra 15 miles round-trip is one of the things that gives me a little edge over them ;-P
Up until a few months ago, I started and ended most of my rides on a 50mph expressway that had light traffic on Saturday mornings. Once in a while I could even catch a semi at a stoplight for a little motorpacing. A few months ago construction began to add a lane on each side, and the nice wide shoulder is gone, so I've taken to alternate routes. I'm waiting to see what it's like when the work is done, but I think I'm going to be permanently relegated to side streets for most of the route.
|I've ridden busy urban streets since I was 12 ...||Humma Hah|
Jul 30, 2003 2:22 PM
|... and they don't bother me.
This weekend: the wife suggested a bike ride on Sunday morning, and that's pretty rare for her. We choose the nearby parkway because blackberries were ripe and she wanted to pick some. The parkway is 9 miles out, 9 back, and that's about her limit.
She's not up to the busy 2 and 4-lane road and tricky intersections needed to get there, nor does she fancy climbing the railroad overpass. We loaded her old Higgins 3-speed in the back of the Explorer, and I rode the 3 miles to the trailhead on the cruiser.
I feel guilty about loading the bike in the truck for a trip up to the W&OD for a ride into DC, but 28 is not a bike-friendly road and getting up there by alternate means is tricky. I'm looking at possibly using the parkway to go east, picking thru the surface streets and US 1 to get to a trail along the Potomac, to see if I can do the ride without using a motor vehicle at all.
It's all just riding, to me, unless the traffic noise gets deafening.
|oh, my, stay off Herndon||DougSloan|
Jul 30, 2003 3:53 PM
|Don't you see the daily intrusions into the wall on the south side of Herndon? People are losing control and leaving perfectly flat, straight, road. My office used to look out on Herndon at West, and I probably witnessed a dozen accidents. I'd take Sierra.
|I'm done with Herndon||Straightblock|
Jul 31, 2003 5:29 AM
|The signals on Sierra don't like to change for a bike, but it's ok for early a.m. starts when I can run the red lights after a stop and cautious look. Coming home, particularly when I'm tired & don't want to suffer thru a lot of traffic lights & stop signs I take the route shown. The only drawback to that route is a series of about 6 Hors Categorie speed bumps on Alluvial.|
Jul 31, 2003 7:58 AM
|Didn't think about the light tripping issue.
Yes, those are some whopper speed bumps. Can't you go around near the curb, though? Alternatively, how about that Intense 12" travel downhill bike?
|Usually I just ride over them||Straightblock|
Jul 31, 2003 8:55 AM
|I'd rather rock & roll on the speed bumps than weave in and out of my travel path. The bumps are lower near the curb, but like most roads, the closer you get to the curb the more debris and a chance to puncture. Makes life interesting when I'm riding the track bike, though. Still haven't got that bunny hop figured out yet.
Any plans to ride the Grizzly?
|Usually I just ride over them||DougSloan|
Jul 31, 2003 11:14 AM
|Same here. For a while I was doing laps in Woodward Park on the fixed. Hitting speed bumps while in a turn is particularly exciting on a fixed gear.
All events for me are on a few day's notice. Depends upon what is going on. I'll be crewing for someone in the 508 this year, so not if it conflicts. It's definitely one of the better centuries to ride, as long as you pace yourself. The first year I did it I bonked bad, and it was pretty ugly.
|re: Does anybody else follow this kind of route just to avoid||techie470|
Jul 30, 2003 5:16 PM
|Hec there was a time when Eola Rd. was out in the country, just corn fields and a couple of building at the railroad crossing. Naperville had 10,000 people and Aurora didn't go farther east then Farnsworth.
Yes I also avoid major highways and high traffic roads.
|re: Does anybody else follow this kind of route just to avoid||RockyHillClimber|
Jul 31, 2003 5:42 AM
|I ride many of those roads in that area. I hate the roads heading north and south in that area. You are just so limited.|
|You ride these roads? Give me some routes!!||Kristin|
Jul 31, 2003 5:54 AM
|I am still building my miles. Actually...I'm starting over again as of this week after 3 weeks of no riding. So I'm not getting too far from my front door just yet. Once I build miles, I'll have no idea where to go once I reach Montgomery Road. Do you know any routes down that way? How'd you get a login name like that if you live in Chicagoland? I figured you lived in Colorado.|
|Can you say CONSTURCTION? I knew you could....||Bluesref|
Jul 31, 2003 7:46 AM
|Well we have 3 seasonns here Winter, Wet and Construction. Gotta find a new route to get around that highway cause they just dug up another Street.|| |