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Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the Day(26 posts)

Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the Daynewridr
Jul 29, 2003 6:49 AM
Anyone from IL? Who is this lunatic? I find it hard to believe that this blowhard could "lead" or "represent" any group.

From Bicycle Retailer and Industry News, July 29:

"What was that biker's investment that would give him the right to go down the middle of the highway? Bikers have no license, no vehicle insurance, no seat belts, no fuel tax. They are not making any contribution into the local economy in the way of tourism dollars. They certainly can't pack home much from the local shops on the back of their bikes or in those tight britches. Bikers have the reputation of having an attitude of superiority and are not popular in rural communities. Many are very rude. They demand the government to provide and pay for their 'entertainment and recreation.' Then, these 'recreational demanders' choose not to use [areas like trails] but to infiltrate areas not intended for their use. I don't know about you, but our recreation and exercise is not paid for. For one thing, we have little time for recreation these days trying to earn enough to pay the taxes that pay for bike trails which bikers choose to avoid. Our exercise comes from our work." --Joyce Morrison, a chapter leader for Concerned Women for America, a representative for Citizens for Private Property Rights and an Illinois Leader columnist
re: Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the DayPinarelloparis
Jul 29, 2003 6:58 AM
i'm replying a lot since i signed up, but this one just really pissed me off. That was a very asinine comment on her part. I'll bet she weighs 250+ lbs. due to chinese food and pizze while she "exercises" at her desk writing this trash. btw, why didn't she attack hikers, runners and equestrians? i'd have to say as a former mtb'er, people riding their horses are far more annoying that bikers. two words: horse sh!t. (excuse my language)

ever notice that people who trash us like this seem to know nothing about us?
That's exactly why I posted it, Pina. (nm)newridr
Jul 29, 2003 7:07 AM
haha yupPinarelloparis
Jul 29, 2003 7:16 AM
re: Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the DayEW
Jul 29, 2003 9:07 AM
I like chinese food, eat it all the time ;)
re: Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the DayPinarelloparis
Jul 29, 2003 9:09 AM
me too. its just a common office food around here :) happy riding
BTW, here's her email address and a link to the website...newridr
Jul 29, 2003 7:14 AM
Here's a link to the website she contributes to:

http://www.illinoisleader.com

Read a little and you'll get a good glimpse of what this person is all about.

And more importantly her email address:

joyce@illinoisleader.com

Drop her a line and let her know how far off the charts she is with reality.
Not even worth pursuing.Kristin
Jul 29, 2003 8:27 AM
I suspect that this group and this woman endear themselves to others about as well as a pack of gnats endeer themselves to campers. She nothing more than pesky bug. Let Mayor Daley squash her. He's a cyclist, you know; though he takes more of a recreational approach to it. But he loves cyclists and is Chicago's greatest advocate for riders.

I'll just respond to a couple of her comments here:

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"What was that biker's investment that would give him the right to go down the middle of the highway?"

Actually, very little gives a "biker" the right to go down the middle of the highway. Cyclists must stay as far right "as possible" and are only allowed to take an entire lane when we are moving into a left hand turn position, or to avoid hitting an object occupying the shoulder.

Beyond that, the statement is sheer nonsense. Why would cyclists want to ride down the center of a highway? To put ourselves in the center of a several multi-ton vehicles, driven by cell-phone talking, doughnut munching soccer moms? Yes, I wake up every morning and think, "Today would be a good day to die or be mamed. I think I'll ride to work in the center lane of Warrenville Road." Not!

"Bikers have no license, no vehicle insurance, no seat belts, no fuel tax."

Testing and licensing riders who plan to cycle on public streets with posted speed limits of more than 30MPH, might not be a bad idea. This would at least ensure that they have seen the laws.

Vehicle insurance? No, we are fully self insured. Why should this bother anyone other than insurance salemen? We are the ones who pay for our broken bikes when we crash.

Seat belts? That's just laughable. If a five ton vehicle hits me, the bike becomes a liablility. When tiny metal tubes hit things at high rates of speed, they tend to develop pointy ends that impail things like flesh and internal organs. I'd rather not be strapped to it, thank you very much.

No fuel tax. I pay fuel tax for the fuel I expend. I paid tax for that granola bar I ate. Kindly, my employer paid the disposal fee for the used up portion.

"They are not making any contribution into the local economy in the way of tourism dollars."

No? http://millrace.com/site/index.cfm
They rent thousands of bikes a year to tourists who then ride along the Fox Valley TRAIL. That's one of those things Joyce assumes is completely abandoned, probably because she's never waddled her lardbutt up there to see all the people. Oh, BTW, these guys have a sweet roadie wallpaper boarder in their commode. Very nice.
If You Are Familiar With Concerned Women for Americajtolleson
Jul 29, 2003 7:14 AM
you'll recognize this general style of judgmental hyperbole as a fundamental part of their approach to all issues.
Frightening (nm)newridr
Jul 29, 2003 7:32 AM
re: Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the DayJuniorgriff
Jul 29, 2003 7:52 AM
What an idiot. We should put her and Martha Burk on a boat and then send them to the bermuda triangle and then sink the boat
don't know--they may have a point on that "seatbelts" issue nmDougSloan
Jul 29, 2003 7:58 AM
Maybe we should talk issues instead of surmising she's fat, huh?Silverback
Jul 29, 2003 8:19 AM
How can I phrase this gently? I'm a 30-plus year cyclist, an advocate, and served on the bike advisory boards in the last two communities I've lived in. I'm on the side of the cyclists... BUT: A lot of us are morons in dealing with the public, and the response to this post demonstrates it again. She's raising what many people think are legitimate questions about cycling, its costs to non-cyclists and the behavior of some people who do it (justifiably--the term "arrogant roadie pr!ck" didn't invent itself). So how do cyclists respond? We say she's probably fat, then encourage each other to attack her by e-mail.
I hate to be all, like, mature and everything, but maybe we could find a more productive approach?
ok, she's a b...... ;-) nmDougSloan
Jul 29, 2003 8:23 AM
Who are you, and what have you done with ...Humma Hah
Jul 29, 2003 8:32 AM
... the real Doug Sloan?

Honestly, Doug, all this talk recently about slapping kids and other less than kind remarks? You used to be so good at hiding your true feelings!

Not that you aren't exactly RIGHT, mind you!
I have a sick sense of humor sometimes ;-) nmDougSloan
Jul 29, 2003 8:36 AM
point taken, btw. nmDougSloan
Jul 29, 2003 9:25 AM
Spoilsport! ;) (nm)SpoiledBikeDaddy
Jul 29, 2003 8:23 AM
Maybe we should talk issues instead of surmising she's fat, huh?Pinarelloparis
Jul 29, 2003 8:35 AM
your right, trying to contact her and insulting her like that wouldn't get anything accomplished, much less just making generalizations about her weight. i was just venting.
Sometimes I think it best not to respond.Spoke Wrench
Jul 29, 2003 9:00 AM
I don't percieve very much potential for changing this woman's mind. That being the case, I think it best to ignore her.

Since this article has gotten so much attention, she is bound to get a bunch of nasty emails. I suspect what will happen next is she will take note of that fact to her boss as proof of readership of her column. As a result, every nasty email you send to her will support her argument for a pay raise.
suppose i'd be bitter too if i lived in southern IllinoisJS Haiku Shop
Jul 29, 2003 9:17 AM
"Joyce Morrison lives in southern Illinois. She is a chapter leader for Concerned Women for America and she and her husband, Gary, represent the local Citizens for Private Property Rights. Joyce is Secretary to the Board of Directors of Rural Restoration/ADOPT Mission, a national farm ministry located in Sikeston. She has become a nationally-recognized advocate for property rights."
Is that the new colorado cyclist model? nmthatsmybush
Jul 29, 2003 11:09 AM
There's nothing wrong with Southern Illinois!!Jervis
Jul 29, 2003 12:56 PM
Hey, at least we have more hills than up north.
Old news...but LOOKPicshooter
Jul 29, 2003 4:14 PM
This is at least a week old. It was reported that she received hundreds of e mails, and the paper printed a few.

In another note someone really did their homework on her and found this:
http://www.ewg.org/farm/farmerdetail.php?pid=AYOH9G4
Picshooter's post is the one EVERYONE should also seenewridr
Jul 29, 2003 7:34 PM
Amazing how people who cry and whine the loudest about something or someone else always have another agenda or skeleton(s) in the closet. Picshooter, thanks for your post. I'm a pretty stable guy, but it really bites my ass to read the drivel that she wrote and then see that while she complains about bikes and us not paying our fair share, SHE and HER HUSBAND are taking in THOUSANDS of DOLLARS in subsidies.

I live in NJ so I really don't want to hear about not paying my fair share. I have high taxes, high vehicle registration fees, and high tolls ($6.00 across the George Washington and through the tunnels into NY city, not to mention a toll every few miles on the Garden State Parkway).
re: Alarming Bicycle Retailer Quote of the Daywitcomb
Jul 29, 2003 9:28 AM
There should be a response posted expressing the views of the rider in defense of her comments.

I know that I do my best to stay clear of cars and keep right, sometimes it isn't always possible but for the most part drivers should have no reason to complain. When planning, I try my best to select times and routes which are going to be clear of traffic. I know that I always prefer a ride which sees no traffic at all and I believe most feel the same, so to say that we like to go out and block up highways is perposterous.

As for we are not paying for our sport, what is there for us to be paying for? The oxygen that we inhale? We buy our bikes, we buy our food and we pay for our pain. Does she think we should be paying for the upkeep of roads by registering our bikes?

- Neil