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Anyone ever poach a "paid" ride?(21 posts)

Anyone ever poach a "paid" ride?big fred
Jul 27, 2003 1:07 PM
Thinking about showing up on a public course the day they put on a local century. Anyone ever done it?
don't do itDaveG
Jul 27, 2003 2:42 PM
What's the entry fee... 20 bucks?! That's not just sleazy, it's CHEAP sleazy. Just pay the fee.
don't do itbig fred
Jul 27, 2003 4:13 PM
Entry fee is 60 bucks and "sold out". I don't want the t-shirt nor their food, I just wanna ride.

Much like poaching ragbrai, can't be too bad. ;)

Is their a logical reason I (and perhaps a few buddies) shouldn't ride a similar route that day?
My single biggest soapbox issue!jtolleson
Jul 28, 2003 6:59 AM
The reason the ride is "sold out" is that they need to cap riders for safety, to correspond to the amount of police support, and to avoid pissing off neighbors, drivers, whatever. It isn't just because they are out of t-shirts.

Don't do it.

This is a HUGE pet peeve for me. People say (I'm not saying that you are) "it is a public road, and I pay taxes." Well, you aren't just enjoying the public road, you are attempting to join into an organized event for part of what an organized event brings in terms of atmosphere, music, whatever.

Rides are sized in order to be accommodated on the scheduled roads, and rides that grow too large and inconvenience the locals can and do lose permits. Even if that's too dramatic a "what if," the fact remains that all those other folks registered on time and paid their fee, and I bet you dollars to donuts that like you, they don't need another t-shirt.

Don't do it. Make your own route elsewhere.

Off my soapbox now.
I agree with Dave G on that. 'nm'tmotz
Jul 27, 2003 3:41 PM
A sign of " No class"MR_GRUMPY
Jul 27, 2003 4:13 PM
What's next.. Is it OK to steal someone's bike ???????
A sign of " No class"big fred
Jul 27, 2003 4:15 PM
Nice, Skippy. Somehow your analogy of stealing a bike and riding on a public street escape me. Care to enlighten me?
send me your home address and I'll send you the entry feeterry b
Jul 27, 2003 4:30 PM
If you need money that badly, I'd be happy to help.
send me your home address and I'll send you the entry feeflying
Jul 27, 2003 5:50 PM
He said it was sold out didnt he?
Hey if it is on a public road & it is sold out & your supporting yourself ( not taking their snacks or drinks )
Go right ahead whats the problem or whats the question??
why?terry b
Jul 27, 2003 7:17 PM
What I don't understand is why this particular route and event are so magic that someone would want to ride them without registering?

If it's not based on a lottery, then he missed the deadline - too bad.

If it is a lottery and the lottery is designed to manage the size, then pirates should stay away.

In fact, most organized rides have a limit because they can only handle so many riders. Not just because of the SAGs, but because the organizers guarantee to the local authorities a given impact on the roads and the community. One more doesn't make a difference? How about 10, 50, 100?

Personally, I stay away from a route that an organized ride is using. Who wants to ride in an event that you're not part of? If you love the route so much, ride it the day before or the day after.

Riding as a pirate strikes me as one thing only - trying to make a point that is lost on everyone.
Give the guy a breakPaulCL
Jul 27, 2003 6:03 PM
If he's not eating their food, drinking their gatorade, taking their t-shirt and the event is sold out...what's so bad??

If it was me...I would do the ride then either join the club that promoted it or make a small (say..$15) donation to cover the cost of insurance, etc.. Afterall, if you have a mechanical, I'll bet the ride organizers would help.

Personal experience: The local big bike club puts on a century ride annually over roads I ride weekly. In the past, I've paid their $20 to enter. Not this year. Sorry. I never got anything for the money other than free gatorade and PBJ sandwiches. Its' the same route I did this morning and most Sundays throughout the summer. I know all of the food/drink stops along the way - its' cheaper to buy as I go from a convenience store than pay the $20. The way I look at it: the ride was on my roads so if I don't use their services, why pay? For what its' worth: I recently re-joined the club so I could lead a Sunday morning ride along those roads.
Paul
I agree!!the bull
Jul 27, 2003 6:23 PM
If there stupid enough not to take his money to ride on a public road then dont give it to them.I would not touch there snacks though( I got my own jersey pockets and I can hold two water bottles on my bike frame).
Look at it this way!ClydeTri
Jul 28, 2003 9:04 AM
YOu have a route you love to ride, you ride it every Saturday. Lo and behold you find out a cycling club has a century this coming Saturday that basically copies your route. SO, some of yall are saying you should stay home or switch routes? It is a public route and if you arent taking their food, drinks etc what are you stealing? I would say however if it was a race, to stay away, because you could screw things up, but to ride a century course the same time? NO IMPACT.
Well, sorta....rwbadley
Jul 27, 2003 9:11 PM
There is an annual ride around Lake Tahoe. The lake ride is 74 miles round. I live just a short distance away.

The first time I 'poached', I was unaware of the event, and was just going for an unsupported ride, not using their food or anything of coarse. The second time, I knew of the event, but still intended to ride. I started on the opposite side of the lake, this worked out well, as I didn't see any sign of the event until well into past halfway through the ride. I figure these roads are in my backyard, I'll ride 'em.

I would never intention to avail of their food or other hospitality. The question of it being 'their' road for the duration of the event, I guess maybe, but oh well.

While riding Seattle to Portland I happened to team up with a whole group that was riding 'pirate', they gave me their reasons, and in this case I almost agree with them on that one.

RW
Well, sorta....big fred
Jul 28, 2003 7:52 AM
I am doing the Portland to San Fran route later this year. How did you enjoy the trip?
Uh, Why?shamelessgearwhore
Jul 28, 2003 5:21 AM
If solo riding is your thing then ride elsewhere. Why would you be interested in joining a large organized ride at all? Social aspects? Support, mechanical, gastronomical or otherwise? If you need those things then do it next year. If you don't then do it the day before. There are many public roads out there w/o needing to butt into someones fun. Pay, volunteer, or stay away.
re: Anyone ever poach a "paid" ride?mohair_chair
Jul 28, 2003 6:40 AM
There's a big difference between "showing up on a public course" and poaching the ride. I'll ride on public roads when and where I want and never feel bad about it, but if there is an organized ride on, I'm not going to eat their food and drink their water. You know the difference.
Pirate or Ghost riderMatt Britter
Jul 28, 2003 9:54 AM
I always heard that ghost riders were a compliment to a well run or popular ride. If you ride self supported during such an event (which is easy to do with 7-11's on every corner) then it does not seem so bad. Since most of us have insurance coverage that is better than the events anyway, seems to really be a non-issue.

I'm sure someone can come up with an idea to change my perception of this but had not heard a good argument yet.
-mb
right to? yes; should you? probably not. nmDougSloan
Jul 28, 2003 9:55 AM
re: Anyone ever poach a "paid" ride?aliensporebomb
Jul 28, 2003 11:04 AM
I'd feel weird about it. Like crashing someones family
reunion or something like that.
I crashed a wedding reception once...TypeOne
Jul 28, 2003 11:52 AM
So I am really not the person to ask here. But from reading some of the comments, I am leaning toward the group that criticizes ghostriders. If people at the wedding reception found out I had crashed it, they'd have been pissed. I imagine some paid riders might be a little irritated by someone who didn't pay the entry fee riding in the event, regardless of whether or not you used their stops.