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Individual Time Trials - When Do Riders Drink?(22 posts)

Individual Time Trials - When Do Riders Drink?Fez
Jul 25, 2003 7:47 AM
Do the riders drink during the time trial? Didn't see any riders drinking during the OLN coverage, and all that talk of Lance's dehydration made me wonder.

What are the rules regarding hydration/gels and interaction with team personnel?
he'd betterDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 7:52 AM
Lance had better drink this time.

I think the rules prohibit any feeds during a TT.

Typically, slam down some drink before the start, then drink at slower speeds in the race.

I think Lance should use a Camelbak, given the last TT problem.

Doug
where does he get the bottle?Fez
Jul 25, 2003 7:55 AM
I think these bikes have no holders, so does he signal the car to give him a bottle for a quick swig?

Did other riders have supposed dehydration problems? We only heard about Lance's.
they have bottlesDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 8:02 AM
http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openform&03tdfSt12

One bottle should be enough for an hour, assuming you aren't grossly dehydrated before the start.

Doug
Team CarsFez
Jul 25, 2003 8:09 AM
Do the riders have regular access to their team cars during time trials?

Just wondering if Lance should have attempted to get more fluid during his last time trial or if he figured it would be better to maintain his rhythm.
noSteve_0
Jul 25, 2003 8:16 AM
car must remain at least 10m behind the rider at all times.
a better pic?SamDC
Jul 25, 2003 8:11 AM
Look's like Lance's TT bike has only room for one bottle cage.

http://grahamwatson.com/gw/imagedocs.nsf/updateframesetcall?openform&03tdfSt12
one bottle should be enoughDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 8:18 AM
As hard as they are going for an hour, one bottle should be enough, IF they are properly hydrated before the start. I think Lance said he was dehydrated before the start. I imagine he won't make that mistake again.

They could wear a small Camelbak, which I would do on a hot day.

Doug
agreedSteve_0
Jul 25, 2003 8:18 AM
45 minutes is the generally accepted critical point for rehydrating or not.
Do roadies wear Camelbacks? Never seen it.......BIG RING
Jul 25, 2003 8:31 AM
especially for a 1 hour TT.
recent photo of David Millar using one somewhere... nmDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 8:33 AM
course profiles show feed zone on both 2003 TdF ITTs:JS Haiku Shop
Jul 25, 2003 8:36 AM


very intellestink nmDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 8:38 AM
Built in water bladder?superdog
Jul 25, 2003 8:28 AM
The earlier models of the Trek TT frame had a built-in water bladder inside the frame. I have never heard of or seen anyone actually use it and I'm not sure they still produce it.
I read they never used itDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 8:33 AM
Don't know why, but I read they never actually used it. I can only speculate as to why.

1. Banned by UCI as too novel.

2. Bike frames are actually MORE aero with a bottle on the frame, so why not just use the bottle. (see http://www.analyticcycling.com )

3. Too difficult to suck water all the way up the hose while riding.

Doug
Temperature and distance.MR_GRUMPY
Jul 25, 2003 8:34 AM
It depends on how hot it is. On Saturday, if it's only 68 degrees and raining, he may drink before he starts and not carry anything.
Old Eddie B., used to say that you didn't need water for anything less than 100K (A little outdated advise)
My TT bike hasafrican
Jul 25, 2003 9:13 AM
only place for one bottle on the frame. It is a team lampre fondriest from last years le tour. I see most of the bikes are like this.
Why no bottles behind seat like tri? nmUprwstsdr
Jul 25, 2003 9:42 AM
not goodDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 10:01 AM
I have read that behind the seat is the worst, aerodynamically, and speaking from personal experience, much more difficult to retrieve and replace while riding, especially while staying aero. Check out http://www.analyticcycling.com for discussion of testing.

Not sure why tri-geeks do this; could be because their races are longer than 1 hour and then need more than one bottle that the normal TT bike accomodates, or they mistakenly believe that it is more aero.

Doug
not goodSteve_0
Jul 25, 2003 10:10 AM
mistakenliy believe it's more aero (The studies to the contrary are relatively recent). It's certainly not a capacity issue, as longer distance tri's have water stations.

Some non-diamond bikes such as softrides and lotus' simply dont have any other place to mount them. They're the exception though.

FWIW; I find rearmounts EASIER to retrieve and replace than frame mounts; no need to swing your knees out while pedaling to get your fluid.
bottlesweiwentg
Jul 25, 2003 6:28 PM
also see http://www.slowtwitch.com/mainheadings/techctr/waterbottles.html

the graphs on Analytic Cycling's page seem pretty hard to read - is it just me? Slowtwitch is far more intelligible.
on triSteve_0
Jul 25, 2003 10:02 AM
despite the popularity of bottles behind the seat in tri; numerous windtunnel studies have proven bottles on the frame to be more aerodynamic*.

I guess the tri industry just hasnt caught onto the fairly recent studies yet.

*for direct 90 degree winds, bottles on the rear were found to be more aero*