|Have you noticed that everyone who is hit by a car in an intersection||Kristin|
Jul 24, 2003 12:16 PM
|...is going 20MPH when it happens. It seems as if every car accident poster reports that they were traveling through an intersection at around 20MPH when hit. I can see that if you are traveling down a straight-away. But 20MPH through an intersection? That's a bit riske', don't you think? I can't imagine buzzing through a 4-way with a stoplight, and trusting that Aunt Betsy see's me coming. I slow way down, even if I have the green. I like to make eye contact with the other drivers too.
Now if its exageration, well then, I can understand. When I wiped out in '99 and sacrificed some skin to the road, the crash seemed somehow cooler and more spectacular when I claimed I was traveling at 24MPH. Honestly, it was more like 22 MPH. :-P
Be careful out there!
Jul 24, 2003 12:48 PM
|You make it sound like everybody blows through intersections. Sometimes, green lights, two way stops, etc., a cyclist will have the right of way. Even if you ride defensively, you can still get hit by a car. Aunt Besty will look you right in the eye and pull out in front of you. Most drivers do not yeild to cyclists. If you ride too conservatively you'll never get anywhere.|
|re: Have you noticed that everyone who is hit by a car in an intersection||CARBON110|
Jul 24, 2003 12:54 PM
|I was traveling 30mph but got hit about 200 yards before the intersection. Does that count?...here in Asheville even if the light is green and your driving a military M1 tank you better look both ways. But thats only downtown. I know I was going 30mph since I downloaded my SRM and it abruptly stopped at 30mph. I must have traveled at least 10 yards rolling down the hill after I cleared her hood. I get to see her for the first time next week and I am thinking about taking an attivan or valume to keep me from putting her in a headlock and giving her a nuggy and black eye....or maybe a swift kick in the shins to give her a small idea of what it felt like after I drop kick her ankle (jk of course). She has been avoiding every appointment with the traffic court and I have been punctual to any chance I might see her again. However my court case against her and her insur.comp. is about to start...so my lawyer says its not prudent :D|
Jul 24, 2003 1:19 PM
|I think I got the impression from your crash report that you were in an intersection, perhaps I misread. You can't cover yourself in ever situation. Someone has to be a total dope to run into you when your infront of them traveling in their direction. I just hold my breath and hope that never happens to me. I'm talking about charching a traffic control--even if its your ROW.
Hope your leg is feeling better. That little brat deserves a thing or two. Sorry she's being so immature about it.
|Making huge generalizations.||KG 361|
Jul 24, 2003 12:57 PM
|My only encounter of the painful kind with a car was not at an intersection but I was probably going 25 or so when I realized "Hey, she's going to turn in front of me!". Can't say what speed it was that I t-boned her at, but I really didn't have time to look.....=)|
|That's not what I'm talking about||Kristin|
Jul 24, 2003 1:15 PM
|There have been at least 8 posts in the last year where the poster claimed they tore through an intersection at 20+ MPH. (When someone says the word, "intersection," I assume they are talking about a place with at least 2 roads and one stop sign.) Of course people shouldn't slow down and look around when they're just cruising down a straight away--I said that already--but I never go under a green light fast unless I'm sure its clear. And a couple time's that caution has avoided being hit by brain dead drivers.|
|That's not what I'm talking about||KG 361|
Jul 24, 2003 1:33 PM
|I realized that after I posted. Sorry-I have a cold-taking drugs, things are a little blurry......=)|
|not sure why everyone's acting so defensive 'bout your ?||The Human G-Nome|
Jul 24, 2003 1:04 PM
|cyclists blow through stop signs at high speeds often, and when they do they are taking a greater risk then if they treated it more like a yield sign (at the very least). that being said, i blow through plenty of stop signs but still try to remain as safe as possible. the next one i blow through, however, i plan on only going about 18.5mph so i might appease the stop sign gods.|
|It is very likely true ... but no excuse.||Humma Hah|
Jul 24, 2003 1:18 PM
|I would say it is very likely true the cyclists are going 20 mph. This is AT LEAST 5 mph BELOW the speed limit, so it is not as if they're doing something dangerous in itself.
A study done on motorcyclists also applies to bicycles: folks who do not ride motorcycles do not SEE motorcycles. Simply don't notice them. And when they DO see a motorcycles they tend to underestimate their speed or overestimate distance to them. Having motorcyclists burn their headlights in the daytime helps against this problem to some degree.
I was nearly clobbered by a guy I had direct eye contact with, who was waiting to enter traffic from a shopping center parking lot. I was going downhill, probably 30-35 mph. He pulled right out in front of me, and I tagged his bumper with my right pedal as I swerved to avoid him.
Motorists who do see bicycles seem to over-react to us. They probably have kids with bikes, and think we all ride like their kids do. But some of those others are not looking for us and don't notice us when we are in plain sight, and if they see us they think we're going 5 mph.
|It is very likely true ... but no excuse.||russw19|
Jul 24, 2003 6:56 PM
|This sounds like my one really bad wreck that involved a car. I was sprinting down a hill doing over 40 when a lady in a big blue Oldsmobile pulled right out in front of me. I t boned her car and went flying over it. She told the police she saw me coming but didn't think a bicycle could be going that fast. Lucky for me I hit her in the front driver's side wheel well. If I had hit further back I would have probably killed myself by hitting the door beam or roof line. I was knocked unconscious in the wreck but other than a concussion and a few scraps and some road rash, I was OK. I was super lucky and I have never taken a car at an intersection like that for granted again.
|So true it is SICK||filtersweep|
Jul 25, 2003 1:45 PM
|I want to SCREAM when I make eye-contact with a motorist who proceeds to pull-out in front of me, or on-coming turn left just in front of me, etc... we can't exactly stop on a dime with 20-23 tires.|
|no I haven't.You are just trying to make yourself feel safer (nm||lemmy999|
Jul 24, 2003 6:38 PM
Jul 25, 2003 7:07 AM
|I have to go through the downtown core in my city to get to the sweet country roads. When I'm going through intersections with traffic, I usually take up the lane, otherwise drivers don't see me and make the according mistakes. But this means that if I'm taking up a lane, drivers get mighty pissed if I'm not going fast enough. Ergo, a green light at an intersection still means I have to be riding at close to the speed of traffic (probably 30-40km/h in city) or people will start swearing and passing.
In these situations, I feel it's better to act like a car, and I get treated like one (more often). And for reference, these are busy 2-three lane roads (including oncoming traffic).
|I don't think the speed is the issue||CRM|
Jul 25, 2003 7:38 AM
|It doesn't really matter if you're going 20+ mph or 5 mph, the issue is making sure that you're seen and riding defensively. When I approach an intersection with cars, I try to sit up a little straighter and look straight at the driver. I'm prepared for evasive action at a moment's notice if that car begins to move. Obviously, there's no way to prevent every collision, but that's the risk we all take every time we hit the roads on a bike or in a car. The only thing we can do is be alert and be prepared to act.|| |