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How about an old timer’s pledge to all newbie’s(26 posts)

How about an old timer’s pledge to all newbie’sDave Hickey
Jul 24, 2003 10:16 AM
1. I will make an attempt to answer "best bike" questions with a minimum of sarcasm and arrogance
2. I realize newbie's aren't on this board 8 hours/day-7 days/wk and might ask a question that was asked 2 hours ago.
3. I will never start a thread with "my buddies and I were in a pace line at 32mph (yah, like that would ever happen) and this newbie screwed up our rhythm".....

How about some others?.....
couple of others.........abicirider
Jul 24, 2003 10:45 AM
1) Lets remeber we were all newbies at one time remember that
2) Should encourage newbies to stick with it not degrade them refering back to item Number 1
3) the older seasoned riders really should take at least 1 newbie under there belts each year and show them the ropes either by post on the board or out on the road( I have a couple of young well to me young in their early 20's guys that I consider my prodigies and trying to help them any way I can.
4) most important refer back to Item nubmer 1 we were all newbies at one time remeber that day.
Be Safe Out On The Roads!!!!!!
Ray Still
Mooresville, NC
big one for me...Steve_0
Jul 24, 2003 10:50 AM
"I will not respond to every request for help with a solution which involves upgrades and/or purchases."

Nothing worse than more people who think cycling is inherintly expensive.
You got that right...jtolleson
Jul 24, 2003 11:40 AM
I HATE it when a request for buying info from someone on a budget is met with "don't buy anything under Shimano 105."

A huge chunk of the riding public can be plenty happy with entry level equipment, and to tell 'em that they need to spend $1000 or not shop at all is ludicrous. Some of the strongest folks I ride with may be on Trek 1000s, Giant OCR 3s, or -gasp- Scattante, Motobecane, or KHS products.

It's all good.
Sora-level is perectly fine for 98 percentOldEdScott
Jul 25, 2003 4:58 AM
of the riders out there. Don't take my word for it; Sheldon Brown's a big fan. Even the no-name Shimano stuff below Sora (the numbered stuff, C-201 or whatever)works as well as some of the 'high-end' bits I started out on many years ago. Remember Simplex?

Cycling CAN be done cheaply, or relatively cheaply, and we do the sport a disservice when we drive people away with crazy statements like I hear here all the time: "If all you can spend is a thousand dollars, man, you might as well forget it ..." It's insane.
How about a newbie pledge as in...thatsmybush
Jul 24, 2003 11:18 AM
If you are a newb, grom or kook (surfing lingo) please use the search topic before you ask the following.
1) what to wear
2) what bike to buy
3) what bike will fit
4) I only do 22mph up hill with a headwind solo why am I so
Jul 24, 2003 11:47 AM
Ya, I am just a little sick of hearing how this guys upset because he cant break the speed of sound after 2 days on the road.
Newbies and veterans alike should pledgeOldEdScott
Jul 25, 2003 4:51 AM
to remove the word 'only' from their preposterous statements on speed.

"I only do 24 mph uphill with a headwind solo. I know that's slow, but my knee's still in a cast from when I broke it last week."

This would also apply to preposterous statements on distance:

"I went out for a short training ride last night. It was only 70 miles, but with this broken collarbone it's hard to ride for more than 2 hours."
Jul 25, 2003 7:43 AM
Being a newb myself, I really appreciate this post ..globalhelipimp
Jul 24, 2003 11:55 AM
.. as do many other newbs like myself, I'm sure.

For the most part, the responses to questions I've asked on
this forum have been very helpful, and I'm very
appreciative for that. Being an entire newb to the sport
(only minor-MTB background; no racing), I had no clue what to
expect when entering- what bike to get, clothes to wear, and
how my mileage should be increased.

If it hadn't been for the members on this group, I would
have purchased a used Trek off eBay and would probably be
struggling with fit. Instead, I was told to go a LBS in
Geneva, NY (I'm from Syracuse) and test out a bunch of
bikes to decide what I liked best.

After testing many bikes and two trips to Geneva, I'm
now riding a Lemond Zurich and have had the pleasure and
enjoyment of putting 250 miles on in these back 2.5 week.
That may not seem like a lot to the seasoned riders here,
but like someone said above, we all were newbs once.

Although some of the same questions do get asked multiple times a
week on this forum, try to stay positive and continue to be as helpful
as possible. If you don't feel this way, that's okay, but my
experience if proof that you all are making a difference and helping
us newbs out.

A happy and thankful rider,

Dave Wright
Syracuse, NY
Dave, you took the right approach to fit ..Dave Hickey
Jul 24, 2003 12:11 PM
I wish I went to an LBS to get fit. I started riding seriously again about 7 years ago and spent a fortune on bikes that were too big or too small. That's the main reason I'm loyal to LOOK frames. I know what size I need and they fit me....
Why Geneva?wb
Jul 24, 2003 2:56 PM
Being in Rome I can't say I've spent a whole lot of time at any of the shops in Syracuse but are they all that bad that you had to go all the way to Geneva? Just curious...

Another newb in upstate ny,
Why Geneva?globalhelipimp
Jul 24, 2003 3:36 PM
Hey Wayne,

I had posted a message on here asking about the best shops
in the CNY area, and a member directed me to Geneva Bikes.
I had some free-time, so I figured eh, what the heck, I'll
drive out to Geneva for the day. The staff was super
helpful and I was pleased w/ the deals that the owner (Jim)
was giving me on everything I needed to buy (shoes, pedals,
helmet, shorts, jersey, etc), so that's why I decided on
Geneva Bikes.

What LBS do you usually go to? Somewhere in Rome or?

How've your experiences been?

Why Geneva?wb
Jul 24, 2003 6:40 PM
Fair enough, I'll have to check it out if I'm ever in Geneva...Around here Dick Sonnes in New Hartford is my usual preference and they're pretty good. I avoid the Schuss in New Hartford at all costs, as an example just this past week I was looking at bikes with my GF and they had a women's specific Lemond Tourmalet, and at least 4 times the sales guy told me it was complete shimano 105, before I got fed up and pointed out that the only piece of 105 on the bike was the rear derailleur, maybe it was an honest mistake but I haven't had good experiences in the past, so be warned if you're ever in the area. The Schuss in Rome is better but it really depends on who you deal with. I've looked at a few bikes at Open Road Sports in Dewitt and the owner? Ken seemed like a nice guy but I don't know what their prices or sevice is like. I've also had very good experiences with Lund's but that was only for ski stuff so ymmv... BTW ended up getting my GF a Cannondale R400 from Sonne's for a pretty good price.

Any place to recommend in the 'cuse?
Why Geneva?globalhelipimp
Jul 24, 2003 9:41 PM

Well, I've only briefly been to the majority of the LBS' in
Syracuse, and haven't spoken too in-depth to any of them,
but I'll tell you about my experiences with each.

My original stop was at Waynes Bikes, on Erie Blvd. The
year before I had purchased a Trek 4900 Alpha, and had been
pleased with their customer support w/ flats and packing
the bike to bring w/ me when I moved to NYC for school.
However, the sheer prices of the Trek road bikes ($1000+)
scared me off, and I did not pursue it any further.

My next stop was the Bike Loft, only because their website
( was put together really well and I knew
one of the co-owners from a job at the mall. The
saleswoman was helpful in explaining differences between
mountain shoes and road shoes, but the shop seemed to be
more geared to the MTB scene, and only had a handful of
road bikes; their prices were about for the Lemond Zurich
were $100-200 more than Geneva Bikes as well.

I went to Open Road Sport and Ken, the owner, was really
helpful about explaining Shimano components, different
materials that today's road bikes are made from, and
differences in components as the price went up/down. I
seemed set on buying an Alu FELT road bike, but decided I
should probably try steel before any final purchase was

After reading about Lemond steel bikes, I went to Bicycle
Alley and picked up a pamplet on Lemond and Trek bikes.
The man I spoke with seemed helpful enough, and didn't
really persued (sp?) me to spend more than I intended to
(which I appreciated).

They seemed knowledgable enough, but after making a post on
here regarding the best LBS in the CNY area, I headed out
to Geneva Bikes and have been very satisfied with their
service thus far. I intended to buy the Buenos Aires, but
the color sceme for 2003 did not appeal to me in the
least. I ended up swinging for the Zurich and have been
very pleased. In time I think I'll switch over to either
Alu or carbon due to the weight differences vs steel.

Anyway, getting lengthy and time for me to hit the sac ..
gunna try and ride tomorrow before I head to Boston w/ mom
to see my brother at BU.

Ride steady,


Ps. That's ridiculous that the salesperson at Schuss said
the Tourmalet was complete 105, and makes one wonder about
their staff.
actually I was in a pace line and I was pulling it at 30mph..african
Jul 24, 2003 12:01 PM
I blew up for all hell though, it was fun to pull the boys and see if I could drop some of them but I ended up just dropping myself lol....
re: How about an old timer’s pledge to all newbie’sNo_sprint
Jul 24, 2003 12:03 PM
My pledge is to answer all the *how far up do I shave* questions with the absolutely correct answer of *shave it all*, including the crack, jewels, eyebrows, head, arms, etc. It'll make ya fast.
Nice...... here is my pledge......african
Jul 24, 2003 12:12 PM
My pledge is to answer all the questions from single hot chicks that want to start riding with practical advice such as how to mount and dismount your steed, how to suck from the water bottle without spilling, how to swallow all the goo from a cliff vanilla shot.... and such other questions.
Jul 24, 2003 12:16 PM
And suppy them with MY custom bike to *fit*. :)
LOL!, the "Official No_Sprint Fit Kit" nmDave Hickey
Jul 24, 2003 12:20 PM
Rule of Thumb for bike fitStraightblock
Jul 24, 2003 12:31 PM
That's the trick one of my co-workers at the LBS always tried to pull on women looking at road bikes. He told them they needed at lest a thumb's width between their crotch and the top tube, then hoped they'd let him "check the fit."
I won't be annoyed by: Is it okay to do this or do that? nmeschelon
Jul 24, 2003 12:39 PM
How about a newbie guide?kjr39
Jul 24, 2003 1:40 PM
Collect some of the good posts regarding the most asked questions (ie, what bike should I buy?) and throw them up on a webpage...

That way, when a noob ignores the webpage and posts the question, someone can just post the link to the page...
I thought Doug was working on something like this? nmOldEdScott
Jul 25, 2003 5:02 AM
yes, common courtesy should be more common nmDougSloan
Jul 25, 2003 9:38 AM
But wait, if an old timer asks a newbie question...fair game?nmfunknuggets
Jul 25, 2003 10:15 AM