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Guerciotti w/Shimano 600. What's it worth?(10 posts)

Guerciotti w/Shimano 600. What's it worth?The Don
Jul 24, 2003 9:01 AM
Please help me appraise/set a range for this bike, which is in good shape, so I know whether it's a good deal as my first road bike in 20 years:
Guerciotti steel frame, Columbus TSX tubing, circa 1998 (it fits, no rust, a couple of nicks)
Shimano 600 Gruppo (except for hubs), 8 spd., good tune
Cinelli stem/bars
Dura Ace hubs/Mavic Open Pro (40?) CD Rims
Selle San Marco saddle
generic seatpost
Michelin Axial Pro tires
Time ATAC MTB pedals (match my MTB pedals)
re: Guerciotti w/Shimano 600. What's it worth?seamus
Jul 24, 2003 9:24 AM
That's a very, very nice bike. I had two guerciotti's from the early '90s and loved 'em both. They do run a little steep in the seat tube angle, but for me it wasn't a problem.

I think $900 probably the most I'd pay for that. It's worth more than that I think, but there are so many nice, newer used bikes (steel and otherwise) for $1200-$1400 bucks that I'd want to score the Guerciotti for a good deal or keep shopping.
Was it really built in 1998?jtolleson
Jul 24, 2003 10:38 AM
I was wondering because of the Shimano 600; I would have expected Ultegra.

I'd say $750.
Thanks for replies. Not sure about year...The Don
Jul 24, 2003 10:47 AM
The guy who's selling it to me said he got it new around 1998. Looks like I'm getting a pretty decent deal...now I get to ride ...
Was it really built in 1998?seamus
Jul 24, 2003 11:29 AM
Regarding Shimano 600...the first group was simply called "600" and then the next generation (late 80's) was called 600 Ultegra, and then later simply Ultegra.

If I remember correctly, the first 600 was semi-polished aluminum and 6-7spd, and later 600 Ultegra used a electrostatic lite/dark gray powdercoating and was 7-8speed, and of course the latest Ultegra has gone back to polish and is 9speed. If it's the 1st generation Ultegra I would stay away from it, but you said it's 8speed. It's good stuff, but you'll want to upgrade to 9speed shifters, cassette and derailleur when you get the opportunity.

Like what some others are saying, if you have a woodie for old Guerciotti's then this might be your bike, but you can get some pretty nice 9s Ultegra steel bikes for $1200.
"Wood"...LOL! Thanks to all for the info!The Don
Jul 24, 2003 2:25 PM
For whatever reason, I like Italian steel bikes, so this will work well. The components are dark gray, but I don't recall seeing Ultegra anywhere on them.

Once I ride it enough I may put some Campy 9/10s on it, or do the 9s Shimano upgrade. (Based on the forums, there's a whole Campy v. Shimano debate). We'll see...

Thanks to all for the great info.

BTW: I was able to buy the bike today for significantly less than $700, so that's even better.
Was it really built in 1998?russw19
Jul 24, 2003 7:26 PM
Shimano Ultegra is Shimano 600. After that group went to 7 speed it adopted the Ultegra name. When it went to 8 speed STI they dropped the 600 from the name and it officially was just known as Ultegra. But it's still the same thing.

The group when it was 6 speed was still polished cranks and derailleurs and from a distance looked very much like Dura-Ace. It had "Shimano 600" on the derailleur face plate. The plate was black and looked a lot like the Dura-Ace which said Dura-Ace on a grey face plate. That's part of why they overhauled the group at the time was to make it look less like the flagship Dura-Ace group.

But from 7 speed on, it has always been Ultegra.

Russ
Sorry... didn't see Seamus had already addressed this.. nmrussw19
Jul 24, 2003 7:28 PM
Yes, yesjtolleson
Jul 24, 2003 8:15 PM
I know that "Ultegra" is the former "Shimano 600" but the fact remains that gruppos weren't still being marketed under the 600 badge in 1998, not even close. So that's why I wondered if the year was right.
re: Guerciotti w/Shimano 600. What's it worth?dotkaye
Jul 24, 2003 10:53 AM
that's a nice bike, I loved the early 90's Guerciotti I rode for a couple of months once.

But I agree with seamus, $800-900 tops. A Guerciotti enthusiast might pay more, but Guerciotti frames in PRX (successor to TSX) are available new for $700, could build one with 9spd Ultegra for under $1500..