|Jan Ullrich's Pedaling Style||Fez|
Jul 22, 2003 6:55 AM
|Obviously Ullrich is successful at what he does, but I notice he almost never gets out of the saddle. I watched him for most of Stage 15 and he stays seated for nearly all of the climbs.
Phil even used the diesel truck analogy on him in that it took a while for Ullrich to get up to speed but once there, he was really going.
Wouldn't Ullrich's accelerations be improved if he got out of the saddle more? And wouldn't he do it to freshen his legs if for no other reason?
Do you think Ullrich actually puts out more power than Lance? I'm guessing yes, but Lance probably has him beat in the power/weight ratio.
|Why mess with nothing that works. Lance is better.||onespeed|
Jul 22, 2003 7:20 AM
|That is what I can tunderstand about Lance this year. It seems to me that over the last 4 years he has been out of the saddle "dancing" on the pedals more. This year he stayed in the saddle more. Until yesterday's performance and stage win, I thought he was going to sit back and perform all his work sitting down. I was relieved to see him come back to form yesterday.
As for Ulrich, he won a Tour De France already. Why mess with a proven method. Lance is just better than him.
|If not for lance we would be talking about Jan's 5th TDF win||Alpedhuez55|
Jul 22, 2003 9:12 AM
|His style works for him and his body style. I have a lot more body fat than he does and find that staying in the saddle woks best for me. But you have to keep the momentum and pace going. For a short steep climb, I will get out of the saddle. But for a long limb, I like to spend my time in the saddle. When you get out of the saddle, it can be hard to to find your find your cadence. What works for Lance will not wokr for Jan.
|I agree to an extent, but...||Fez|
Jul 22, 2003 9:38 AM
|Attacks at this level can be brutal.
If Jan can actually attack more explosively by getting out of the saddle, wouldn't it be worth it? Phil calls him a diesel (rightfully or not) and says it takes a while for him to get up to speed.
He attacked Lance (before the fall) by staying in the saddle and I was pretty impressed, but I can't help but wonder if some of Jan's coaches would want to hook him up to some testing equipment to see if he would do better by mixing it up a bit.
Is Jan is operating at such a high level that his legs never get tired being in the saddle that long?
I did try to count Jan's cadence at various points in the climb and he seemed to be around 72-80 at the slower points.
My knees hurt watching that, but I was amazed at how good of a job he did pulling those Spaniards, one of them who edged him out at the end and got the 2nd place time bonus.
|No, you would be talking about his 6th win. nm||Paul|
Jul 22, 2003 11:12 AM
|standing vs. seated climbs||CritLover|
Jul 22, 2003 9:55 AM
|As far as I know, Ulrich is considered a "power" climber which consists of higher gears, slower cadences, and the sitting positions. I am also this type of climber and I absolutely hate standing, even for attacks. It just kills my quads to stand when I am in a rhythm. It is more economical for me to accelerate seated than to stand (where my hr spikes and I can't easily recover). I think this is just what works best for some people.
Then you have Lance, who on numerous occasions has been told by Carmichael that he should stay seated much more than he does. I think it is great that he finally listened. Who knows if this change in style has anything to do with his performance.
I don't have a power meter (yet), so I don't know what the power difference would be. My initial thought is that it would be about the same. Higher cadence in lower gear vs. lower cadence should be about the same. Although, that might be only if they are the same weight. Ulrich might put out more because he is heavier.
Just a guess.