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Jul 21, 2003 5:43 AM
What is OK and what is not when it comes to buying a jersey. I am getting tired of my solid blue Performance Jerseys. I saw a cool looking Domo Carpets Jersey on ebay. Would I be a Fred if I wore this. What is acceptable to wear and what is not. I know i could wear what ever i wanted, but do not want to offend or look like a total dork (I alredy feel like one for askn this question). The multicolored jerseys look neat, but does anyone really wear'em? thanks, Fred
Jul 21, 2003 6:15 AM
If you like it, buy it. Don't waste your time worrying about what others think.

I have a few "team" jerseys and wear them regularly.
Jul 21, 2003 6:40 AM
I agree with if you like, wear it. There is so much talk on this website about "posers" and I just don't understand what is wrong with wearing a jersey of the team(s) that you like and admire. Hey, I have a USPS jersey because I like the colors; the way it looks and because I admire the team. I find the plain solid color jerseys just too boring.

I hate all the talk on this website about posers. I find it ironic about how some complain that the sport of cycling does not have the following in the US that it does in Europe but when we do something simple like wear a team jersey, others will criticize. Let's face it, if it weren't for USPS the sport would have a lot less profile here for those who may not otherwise find themselves exposed to it. If you like the jersey, wear it and don't care what others say.
Jul 21, 2003 10:53 AM
for me, it's kind of like - i would never tell someone not to wear Birkenstocks, but i wouldn't be caught dead in them. there isn't anything wrong with them and they're fine and comfortable shoes, i'm sure, but since i don't like the connotations, i won't wear the shoe. to each his own.
Jul 21, 2003 12:32 PM
This issue drives me crazy! Is there any other sport on the face of the planet where fans are scoffed at for wearing the jerseys of their favorite teams? Do fans at a football game sneer at another fan because he or she has the audacity to "pose" as a member of the team by wearing the team jersey? It's ridiculous.

You may or may not elect to wear the team colors, but for God's sake, spare your judgments on everyone else!
It is your moneypinarello1
Jul 21, 2003 1:33 PM
I don't think anyone can tell you how to spend it . If you feel comfortable then get the whole kit . Who cares . Look , enjoy the life because there might not be tomorrow .
I Second That !!!!! (NM)cjwill
Jul 21, 2003 6:56 AM
Just wear it on top of your bibs..........MR_GRUMPY
Jul 21, 2003 7:20 AM
I'm not kidding. I've seen people with their jerseys under their bib straps........ Now.....THAT says "Fred"
Most folks I see wear very multi-colored jerseys ...Humma Hah
Jul 21, 2003 7:22 AM
... I see them as I pass them in my white jersey and MTB shorts on my cruiser. (I believe white is cooler.)

Wear what you like. Look un-fredish by riding smoothly and quickly. And by looking good in the jersey (those I pass typically have bulges of fat distorting their expensive, colorful jerseys).
wait...I resemble that remark!chipnseal
Jul 21, 2003 2:32 PM
Actually, my bulges are lessening as we speak! I'm not as "Fredish" this year as I was last year.. :-)
other reasons...marcoxxx
Jul 21, 2003 7:25 AM
i guess bright colors make for more visibility for cars and when you flash by a slow rider!

i wear non-teamclub yellow/black for my above reasons

Only if you wear this:MXL02
Jul 21, 2003 7:28 AM
seriously, wear what you want. The only guy I saw who wore a Cipo zebra suit, was faster than hell, and in general, if you wear something like that, you'd better be. I ride a with some younger guys who give me a hard time for wearing my full Rabobank kit, but hell, I like it, and as a bona fide old fart who rides pretty well, I just do what I want.
So should you.
A minority view: When I can ride like Lance, I'll dress like himretro
Jul 21, 2003 7:32 AM
I agree, wear what you want and what you're comfortable in. Personally, though, wearing a team jersey (and all the color coordination that seems to go with it) would embarrass me. It's like wearing pads and a pro-team jersey to play football in the park, or painting your Malibu up like a NASCAR stocker.
From the responses to this post, jerseys aren't as common everywhere as they are where I live. Around here, though, you see people putting on the full kit just to ride down to 7-Eleven for a Coke. I had to show a guy in full drag how to take off his rear wheel and fix a flat yesterday. Hard to be stylin' when you're standing by your bike scratching your head.
I'll dress like lance when I'm paid like him.Steve_0
Jul 21, 2003 7:36 AM
In the meantime, I try not to waste my money by advertising for others.
I agree one thousand percent...mapei boy
Jul 21, 2003 11:09 AM
As I ride through the San Fernando Valley, I constantly worry that some dude is going to watch me pedal my bike, and is then going to head down to the nearby Mercatone Uno to buy a box of Girmi. Then I worry that that the guy is going to go to the Home Depot, pick up some Mapei floor tile adhesive, and put it on his Girmi.
Jul 22, 2003 4:10 AM
humour AND employment of sarcasm. I like you.

anyhoo, it's advertisement nonetheless; otherwise they wouldnt be paying the pro's to wear it. Why shoud I pay?
Thanks. I must admit, though...mapei boy
Jul 23, 2003 10:13 AM
that I haven't the slightest idea what Girmi is. I'm just assuming it's a breakfast cereal. After all: Girmi: Wheat Germ?
Another view: When I can ride like Davis, I'll dress like Davischar
Jul 21, 2003 1:00 PM
Yeah, but pullin' in to the local 7-11 wearing a retro 7-11 jersey to fill up your TDF coca-cola water bottles IS cool.

Let me try to explain...Dwayne Barry
Jul 21, 2003 7:35 AM
there are a multitude of factors that contribute to your sum total Fred or Poseur score, some of these factors are difficult to actually put a number on (kinda like art, you know it when you see it, but how do you put an objective ranking on it?). In the end you tally your points and if you're above a critical number you can be rightly labeled a Fred or a Poseur (although not mutually exclusive it's a rare individual that can be both a Fred and a Poseur).

While hard numbers are difficult to assign. In general, solid Performance jerseys do contribute to your Fred score. Team jersey's, on the other hand, contribute to you're Poseur score in most instances but there are definite exceptions. It's all so complicated and in the end you have to remember that it is a sum of 10's if not 100's of factors that can end up getting you labeled a Fred. It's almost not even worth worrying about...
. . . you said, "almost" not worth worrying about.bill
Jul 21, 2003 8:01 AM
ooh. you're tough.
Depends on your audience. If you are hanging with racers or former racers, it seems that cool is defined by old. You're wearing either your current team kit or the jersey from your HS or college racing team. Maybe with the sleeves ripped off. Or maybe from some race or event you did when you were 22. Or, it could be an old, defunct professional team. Newer team kits you almost never see. If you do wear team kit, not your own team, try to wear neutral shorts. The full kit is a bit much.
Not that I practice what I preach. I have one team jersey, from Eddy Merckx's development team, which has maybe a little bit of cool (I don't know how to spell it -- V-something). When I'm not wearing my own team's kit, I'll wear my PI or Santini or Cannondale (C-dale makes nice stuff) or whatever, and try not to worry about it, because (a) it works, and (b) I don't have early 80's kit with the sleeves ripped off. But I'm not cool.
Yes, another factor that many overlook is...Dwayne Barry
Jul 21, 2003 8:45 AM
the situation (which highly influences the points) and the person doing the judging.

A Vlaanderan 200? (I think this is the team you're talking about) is one of those exceptions to the "team jersey" rules. Small Belgium professional team jerseys definitely give points toward your cycling "coolness" score and don't contribute at all to your Fred or Poseur (unless your wearing it in a P/1/2 race) scores.
at least I knew what it was, if not how to say it/spell it. nmbill
Jul 21, 2003 9:00 AM
Jul 21, 2003 8:05 AM
In my opinion, just wearing a team jersey does not make you a Fred. I routinely waer team jerseys, although they're usually retro teams that no longer exist. I always wear them with plain black shorts. I think that's the difference.

Wearing a team jersey makes you a fan.
Wearing a team jersey, shorts, cap, helmet, gloves, socks and shoes while riding the team issue bike makes you a Fred.
by your definition...paulg
Jul 21, 2003 8:30 AM
many of the TDF riders must be FREDs. I wish I could be a FRED like those guys.
To clarify...Dwayne Barry
Jul 21, 2003 8:40 AM
"Wearing a team jersey, shorts, cap, helmet, gloves, socks and shoes while riding the team issue bike makes you a Fred."

No, doing that would almost certainly give you the required points to be a Poseur not a Fred. Unless you were doing this in a race that doesn't include pros, and then you would switch from a poseur to a Fred.

In the broadest sense, Fred = Clueless, Poseur = looking like something you are not.
Team jerseysTypeOne
Jul 21, 2003 9:17 AM
I think wearing the full team kit is a bit much. If you want some multi-colored team jersey, get a lower echelon team or a retro jersey. An old Motorola jersey, a wool Molteni, or a 2002 Navigators jersey would look really cool. If you're fast or not, serious cyclists will figure you know your stuff.
re: LOOKING LIKE A FREDfarmerfrank
Jul 21, 2003 9:29 AM
I rode an organized ride in the California Wine country this weekend. It was an enjoyable 60 miler with rolling hills and beautiful scenery. There was a good cross section of riders. What I found interesting was a group of guys in the "Old Guys Who Get Fat in Winter" jerseys from Velonews. With their rotund physiques it was a bit humorous. As we left the rest stop they were still foraging the tables for extra oreos. I am sure they were confortable with their attire. I found it a bit amusing.
Jul 21, 2003 12:58 PM
This whole topic cracks me up. I think us Americans are the only ones who worry about this. Besides, when I was in Bellagio, Italy this May, half the old fat guys on thier sunday rides had pro team jerseys on. I say, wear what you want.