|Republican Party activists HATE cyclists...||Uncle Tim|
Jul 20, 2003 6:27 PM
|Read the latest anti-cycling screed:
|That is the view of most people in Midwest, no wonder...||c722061|
Jul 20, 2003 7:09 PM
|they are so fat that only be fit in those montrosity trucks. She ignores the fact that most bicyclists are tax paying citizens which also pay for road paving.|
|more appropriate title: "NIMBY hates rail trails"||kenyee|
Jul 21, 2003 6:05 AM
|Dunno about you, but this part of the author's bio:
"She is a chapter leader for Concerned Women for America and she and her husband, Gary, represent the local Citizens for Private Property Rights. Joyce is Secretary to the Board of Directors of Rural Restoration/ADOPT Mission, a national farm ministry located in Sikeston, MO."
screams NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) to me. You know...the neighbors that like telling you what to do..that call all the city inspectional services on you because they want you to leave the neighborhood, etc. There are people who have nothing better to do but run all these "for the public interest" a.k.a., for their own personal selfish interest organizations :-)
p.s., if the road the local clubs rid on is really as she describes w/ lots of curves and blind spots, I'd wonder about doing that on a ride as well. It's bad enough driving those roads...
|Title is on target||Uncle Tim|
Jul 21, 2003 8:58 AM
|This anti-cyclist screed is found on a Republican Party activist website. The terrible thing about this article is that the lady is completely wrong on every point but is completely sincere in her nonsense that cyclists should stay off roads where her big motorized vehicle has "priority".
She has told you to keep your bicycle off the roads!
I will continue to ride my bike where I need to and where I want to.
|website != article||kenyee|
Jul 21, 2003 9:21 AM
|Reading the article by itself, it sounds like she is just another NIMBY (and we've got lots of them here in MA)-:
NIMBY-ness doesn't seem to be a party-line thing. It seems to be some deep socialogical problem w/ some people. Read the Bicycling mag article on the poor MTBers north of San Fran? CA is mostly Democrat, so I'm sure you'd find a few of the people mentioned are Democrat.
If you truly care about freedom, vote Libertarian ;-)
|I wrote her a letter yesterday||PaulCL|
Jul 21, 2003 6:08 AM
|Or rather, an email. I would be more than happy to post it here.
Essentially, I took her article point to point and refuted it. I was very nice, not nasty. To end the letter (since it was printed in some conservative newspaper), I told her that I was NOT some long haired, ponytailed, left wing, eastern US, Hilliary-loving liberal - I am a republican. I pointed out that I was on HER side politically (though definitely no where near as far right..yeesh!). If she has the guts to reply, I'll post both my letter and her response on this board.
|Did you notice||Mel Erickson|
Jul 21, 2003 6:30 AM
|They said they had received alot of mail on her diatribe but if you go in the mail archives you can't find a one. Only letters in support of their extremist positions. Don't look for a reply anytime soon.|
|GOP activists hate EVERYBODY. That's their appeal||retro|
Jul 21, 2003 7:37 AM
|Watch 'em work for awhile. They don't like anybody but blue-eyed white Christians. That's the whole secret of their growth in popularity since the Democrats forced through civil rights legislation in the mid-'60s. When LBJ signed that bill, he said he was handing the south to the Republicans for the next 50 years. All that oppressed-white-male, "reverse discrimination" BS just gives their followers license to hate.|
|if political thread, take it to Noncycling Forum||DougSloan|
Jul 21, 2003 7:41 AM
|The cycling content of this thread is minimal; political discussions should be on the Noncycling Forum.
|This thread is definitely cycling-related!||Uncle Tim|
Jul 21, 2003 9:10 AM
|Here we have one of the worst screeds that we've ever seen, written by a Republican Party activist highlighted on a Conservative Republican website!
This screed is not one of the typical tongue in cheek, let's take a few cheap shots at bicyclists in funny clothes fare. No! This is a very sincere Republican Party activist who has elevated her hate for cyclists and meshed it with her right wing political ideology.
This is but another reason that cyclists should not support Republicans. If you cared to notice, the Republican House of Representatives voted last week to slash funding for bicycle projects.
I can understand that people who share that political bias and also like to ride bicycles can find this very uncomfortable and hard to confront. But there is no question that the posted article in question has definite cycling content.
|You seem to be confused,||TJeanloz|
Jul 21, 2003 10:31 AM
|This is the mouthpiece for a conservative commentator - not the Republican Party. It's very far from the same thing. And I believe the House of Representatives has some Democrats in it - some of whom voted for the highway bill last week.|
Jul 21, 2003 12:55 PM
|Some of the posts may have cycling content, but basically it's a forum for Retro to call me a racist. That should surely be moved to the hatefull trash forum.|
Jul 21, 2003 7:43 PM
|The thread started that way, but Retro's post had zero cycling content. People have been pretty good about not getting all political in the General Forum.
Jul 21, 2003 2:25 PM
|It is a bit fascinating how the generally "bike-tolerant" crowd tends to be a bit left of center, yet you'd think a majority of folks here are ultra-conservative (from the non-cycling discussion page).
I can't help but think Doug is being less than objective about this- plenty of other anti-cycling rants in the media have received discussion in this very forum...
|Are you nude?||53T|
Jul 21, 2003 5:48 PM
|Most ultra-conservative? You can post "George W stinks" and you will get 10 or 12 appreciative responses before Doug or Steam or myself finally chimes in, just to be insulted by the throngs of bleeding hearts, while they clamor to be next in line under Clinton's desk.
What forum have you been reading?
|Touched a nerve?||filtersweep|
Jul 22, 2003 4:18 AM
|Obviously you completely missed my point. I guess I could stoop to your level and make some sweeping generalization that it is "typical of the conservative response NOT to address the issue itself but to attack the messenger, redirect the debate to center around a detail that is not even central to the issue, etc." But I won't... that WOULD rather make this a political discussion ;)
I'll rewrite my first sentence... see if this helps:
"It is a bit fascinating how the generally "bike-tolerant" crowd tends to be a bit left of center, yet you'd think a substantial number of folks here are conservative (from the non-cycling discussion page). "
All better? ;)
|gimme a break||DougSloan|
Jul 22, 2003 7:11 AM
|I didn't delete or even move anything. The post of "Retro" had zero bike content, and I simply noted that political discussions should take place in the Noncycling Forum. Absolutely politically content neutral. Man, you guys are quick to criticize.
|4,500 bikers from St. Louis riding a century?||Spoke Wrench|
Jul 21, 2003 11:45 AM
|Who was it that said that 48.62% of statistics were made up?|
|very cycling related!(long)||jonthegreat9|
Jul 21, 2003 1:00 PM
|How did bicycles get equated with extreme liberals. This is a joke, this activist wants to start a war. In the broder context of all cycling(road and mountain) we are getting squezed out from both directions. The left (aka) Barba Boxter wants new wilderness without giving any concern to groups such as IMBA. These rural conservitives who somehow think that riding a bike on a public road equates to a threat on their way of life need to put some serious thought into the situation. Having a specific political viewpoint is not a preresquite to cycling, and thats perhaps the most important point. Cyclists both mountain and road should stay active but not militant and there is a differnce. Cycling does not wear on a road and whatever happened to personal responibility and the rebublicain party, just reconfirms why Im a democrat. Anyway this is just one democratic cyclist's point of view.|
|re: Republican Party activists HATE cyclists...||TDino|
Jul 21, 2003 8:27 PM
|shamelessly ripped from Brent Hugh on the rec.bicycles.misc newsgroup.
"This brings up a little fact dug up by Bob Foster, chair of the Missouri Bicycle Federation: Joyce Morrison's husband, a farmer, has received $125,000 in payments from the USDA over a five-year period.
For complete details, see
Joyce Morrison--who portrays herself as a poor victim who has no time for recreation because she is so busy working to pay her onerous load of taxes--is actually a welfare queen who has almost certainly received more in government subsidy payments than she has paid in taxes over the last five years.
Now that you know that, go back and re-read her spew of righteous indignation, all based on the "fact" that she is nothing but an honest, hard-workin', God-fearin' citizen who's literally being EATEN ALIVE by the high taxes the EVIL government is forcing her to pay. And meanwhile being put upon by a bunch of freeloading bicyclists who demand handout after handout and don't pay their fair share."
|Great Job! Expose the hypocrites! nm||Uncle Tim|
Jul 22, 2003 5:46 AM