|CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||gtown|
Jul 17, 2003 5:32 AM
First time poster. Been lurking for a month and getting up to speed on road bike stuff. Ya know, the bikes, the components, the lingo, etc. Like others I'm a long time MTBer and I am rapidly adding road riding to my skill set. Probably because I'm getting older and that there are so many beautiful back roads to ride out my front door. I love mtb'ing, but as they say "the road is calling".
This brings me to my question. I'm looking for a new bike. Going the LBS route, because I want the right fit and I like having something new. Friends tell me to buy used off the internet, but why buy someone elses ride. Kind of tainted goods in my opinion. I never understood whey folks sell their bikes. I could never part with my babies. Anyway, I'm looking at some Cannondales either the R800 or R1000. My question is, is the CAAD7 $500 better than the CAAD5 frame?
|re: CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||Rusty Coggs|
Jul 17, 2003 6:23 AM
|Better is relative. Bought all my frames used. Got what I wanted, saved alot of money.Maybe I just don't get it?|
|re: CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||thatsmybush|
Jul 17, 2003 6:31 AM
|Currently ride a CAAD5 under one year old. Love the bike, the primary differences are CAAD7 uses optimo aluminum which Cannondale believes allows thinner walls and a lighter frame, they also have an integrated bottom bracket/cranks that the CAAD5 does not have. Is it worth 500.00 more well it would have depended if I had 500.00 more to spend. As it was i bought from Gary at GVH and got everything I wanted for less. But then again I knew my bike size.|
|CAAD7 is available without Slice SI BB as well...||russw19|
Jul 17, 2003 8:03 PM
|You can get the CAAD7 with or without the Slice SI Hollowtech cranks. They make that frame with a standard BB shell.
|to first time poster, long time listener||sievers11|
Jul 17, 2003 7:00 AM
|a bike is a bike and you are not spending enough money to consider it your "baby". If you have a colnago c-40 with hyperion wheels and record carbon then you have a bike worth of the distiction, "Baby".
Training bike, racing bike, century bike.
Training bike - a quality 105 or ultegra equiped that fits right. disposable
Racing bike - light al, less disposable and really stiff your best wheels with very little spokes.
"Century Rides" bike - all italian, driping with style. all about looks, one of a kind, don't ride very much. hand build 32 spoke wheels
Advice on your queston:
Go with the R800, 105 is the bomb...cheap and works well. Ultegra is good for 3000 miles than craps out. 105 can do the same, but is costs so much less and weights the same and works the same. Train on that bike and then in a year or two and 5000 miles later, 3 sets of tires, 10+ tubes, 4 saddles and 3 different colors of handle bar tape...you will have a better idea of what your bike should be.
The reason everyone is telling you to get a used bike is because of the 3 sets of tires, 10+ tubes, 4 saddles and 3 different colors of handle bar tape you will go through to keep your new bike on the road for 5000 miles.
It is kind of like a new pair of shoes...you only walk on the side walk for the first week, second week you are pounding through the puddles. (mmm, sounds like all of my relationships)
Oh, one last thing. It kind of helps to get a bike from your LBS especially fro you first, because no one really knows what they are doing the first time. (mmm, we are taking about bike right)
(I am a dork, back to work)
|ahh, read this quick...||sievers11|
Jul 17, 2003 7:02 AM
|make sure you get the double crank and get the shop to swap out the cassette for a 12-23...unless you can't climb.
a 12-26 is worthless, and a triple is dorky
whooo, that was a close one.
|ahh, read this quick...||gtown|
Jul 17, 2003 7:42 AM
|Thanks for the info.
1. I don't have the C-40, but I do have a decked out Intense Tracer with all the goodies (remember mtb'er moving to road) as well as a couple others. And, yes they are very dear to me.
2. Will only go double ring
3. Actually the R1000 is mostly 105. The components between the R800 R1000 are similar. I'm assuming the price diff. is because of the frame. Anyway, I'll ride them all and see what the gut tells me.
4. I know I'll ride the hell out of what ever I get and based on my mtb'ing experience, I'll have a $3-$4K road bike within 3 years. Best quote I've heard "why a $4K bike? because they were fresh out of $3K bikes."
|A 12x26 ....really? where?...nm||Rusty Coggs|
Jul 17, 2003 7:47 AM
|It sounds like you ride a triple. (nm)||BrianU|
Jul 17, 2003 7:16 PM
|re: CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||The Badger|
Jul 17, 2003 7:37 AM
|Save your money.
I don't think its a $500 benefit...unless your riding the alps in the TDF. Even the 7-up pros use the CAAD5 instead of the CAAD7, because they have to use Ritchey cranks instead of Cannondale. If CAAD5 is good enough for them, its good enough for you. If you're really concerned about the few extra ounces of the CAAD5 v CAAD7, I would spend the money on moving parts (ie wheels) instead.
|re: CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||gtown|
Jul 17, 2003 7:47 AM
That was kind of what I was thinking. I doubt that I could feel the difference of a half a pound frame weight. However, I would notice $500.
The one thing I do want is to get the best frame and components for the $$. I guess I'm from the "best frame" camp and not the "best component" camp.
|re: CAAD7 vs. CAAD5||raboboy|
Jul 17, 2003 7:43 AM
|bah. if you can afford it, then why not get the lighter frame? However, as was previously mentioned, remember all the gear you may need/want. Pedals, helmet, clothes, tubes, tires, lube, pump, nipple-clamps... etc.
Maybe you can go with different criteria, like which colors they come in. I like my c'dale "blue pearl over kale" which is very simialr to the bianchi "celeste" and often confuses the other riders when they see the c'dale sticker. :)
|I own both...||biknben|
Jul 17, 2003 8:02 AM
|Well I just sold the CAAD5 on eBay but you get the idea.
I rode a R3000 CAAD5 frame for over two years. I recently unpgraded just the frame and fork. Everything else was a clean swap. I have nearly 1k miles on the CAAD7 and I can't tell the difference between them at all. On the scale the CAAD7 frame, HS, and fork were 4 ounces lighter than the CAAD5 (using a good Bentley fish scale).
biknben "I was busy last night...(build report?)" 6/13/03 6:12pm
I'm a big C'Dale fan but IMO, if the
difference is the frame, save the cash or spend it elsewhere.
|more than just the frame||Cheezhead|
Jul 17, 2003 8:23 AM
|There are a lot of huge differences between the R800 and R1000 besides just the frame. The R800 is a 105 group with a Tiagra front derailleur and generic Cannondale brakes. The R1000 has an Ultegra group with 105 front derailleur and brakes. You also get better wheels with the Ksyrium Elites on the R1000. Probably 3/4 of a pound weight difference between the two. I say that if you have the $$$ go with the R1000.
|more than just the frame||dawgcatchr|
Jul 17, 2003 9:24 AM
|I would second the CAAD7 R1000. It comes with mostly Ultegra (versus mostly 105 of the R800) but the biggest difference are the Ksyrium Elites on the R1000. The R800 comes with some botuique wheels as well, but they are a brand I have never heard of. The Ksyriums are very good wheel, and with the upgraded parts as well, I would say it is $500 well spent. If you don't have the cash though, the R800 is still a very good bike. BTW, what size are you? I have a new 2003 56cm R1000 that I may be interested in selling for about $1400 (still deciding-the TT is a little long for me). Anyways, good luck with your decision, C-dale makes the best aluminium frames on the market, IMO.|
|Nobody said anything about geometry yet.....||cdale02|
Jul 17, 2003 8:41 AM
|I have a CAAD5 frame and I like it a lot - I have not ridden a CAAD7 From my understanding though, there are some differences in the geometry. Specifically, the CAAD5 geometry is a little more agressive in that the seat tube angle is a litle steeper and the bottom baracket is a little higher. From the cannondale website it looks like the fork rake is different as well.
How do these translate into the ride? One poster said that he/she couldn't tell the difference - I'd suggest riding one of each to determine for yourself.
I wouldn't sweat the differnece between 105 and Ultegra - find out which bike you like the feel of better. If you can't feel a difference go which one looks cooler...or whichever is cheaper, whatever your priorities are.
I suspect the CAAD5 may feel slightly better for shorter hammerin' rides, but the 7 may feel better for longer rides.
Like I said though, I haven't ridded the 7.
Good Luck - I like my 5 and I think Cannondale is a good company.
|CAAD7 vs. CAAD5 - I just bought the R800||rkalik|
Jul 17, 2003 3:08 PM
|OK...Last month, I bought the R800. The bike is great, but I'll cut to the chase for you.
If I had to do it over again, I would have gone with the R1000 instead. First, I immediately upgraded out of the the Grecal Parade wheelset. I found the GPM's made the bike feel as if I were riding through mud! The bike simply would not perform. fyi: I found the same feel with the R600, which also stocks a lower model GPM wheel. Same sluggish feel.
So, I turned around and added a set of Mavic SSL SC's. Since the R1000 has the Mavic Elites already, and a better group of components, and the CAAD7 frame - go for it.
Color: The denim blue or the crimson red (mine) with logos both rock. Good Luck.
Hope this helps.
|CAAD7 vs. CAAD5 - I just bought the R800||gtown|
Jul 18, 2003 4:52 AM
That is good information. The wheelset was the one thing that I had some concern about. Never heard of the Grecal Parade before.
I guess it will depend on feel, fit and how much $$ I want to part with. Hopefully I can get a deal. If I can get the R1000 for a couple hundred off list I may go for it. We'll see.
|CAAD7 vs. CAAD5 - I just bought the R800||rkalik|
Jul 18, 2003 6:41 AM
|If you go with the R800 - check into a Sminano 540 wheelset. Solid wheels, and good price.|| |