|Any Orbea fans out there?||harryd|
Jul 16, 2003 5:41 PM
|Doing road bike research led me to Orbea. Seems like they use all the high end materials (Columbus Foco etc...) yet deliver bikes that are half as much as other high end manufacturers using exactly the same materials. If it's good enough for Iban Mayo, who am I to argue. any thoughts?|
|re: Any Orbea fans out there?||gray8110|
Jul 16, 2003 6:15 PM
|Never heard a complaint - good riding frames, good prices and gorgeous paint jobs. I can't justify getting one, but if I could, I would.|
|re: Any Orbea fans out there?||terry b|
Jul 16, 2003 6:59 PM
|I put a Starship together this spring - it's a great bike, light, fast, comfortable. An acquired taste for the paint scheme, but I get a lot of favorable comments. Bought it directly from Orbea (no local dealer) - they were great to work with. If you're after a very reasonably priced sexy bike, it's a good option.
|re: Any Orbea fans out there?||rideamountain|
Jul 16, 2003 10:22 PM
|I say go for it. I almost bought one last year, but ended up spending a bit more money for something else (a Principia REXe Pro). I was very close and had dealt with Orbea direct on more than a few occaisions and found them to be nothing short of fantastic.
The bikes themselves are also top notch. Great tubing, great workmanship...and an amazing price to boot. Most people don't realize that they have been in business for many years.
The other cool thing is that you will be riding a Tour proven bike that is different from the many Colnagos and such that you see out there.
|Happy with mine||DMoore|
Jul 17, 2003 9:43 AM
|I have a Lobular carbon that's now a few months old. It's my team bike (Jelly Belly amateur team) and they gave a decent deal. It's very light, handles well, seems a little more comfortable than my previous all-aluminum Specialized E-5.
I can't work up any emotional attachment to an aluminum bike - I save that for my Richard Sachs, Brian Baylis, and other lugged steel frames. But for a lightweight Al frame, the Orbea is quite nice.
Jul 17, 2003 10:25 AM
|I have the 2002 XLR8R w/carbon columbus seat stays.... been using it on the Cat 1/2/3 racing scene for about a year. It's everything I've ever wanted in a bike.
I personally believe the cheapest and the most expensive Aluminum bikes w/carbon fiber stays are more similar than anyone would want to admit (I'll be damned if a $2500 Cyfac xlr8r is very much different than my $1250 Orbea xlr8r!). For the most part, Orbea is right in the middle of the spectrum pricewise, but what makes it stand out are great paint jobs, a certain geometry, and an interesting name.
Jul 24, 2003 11:32 AM
|Disclosure -- I'm the importer of CYFAC in the US. I'm not writing to sell anything; I just wanted to respond to this writer who directly mentioned CYFAC.
There are a lot of frames on the market that have the same/similar materials but are very different from one to the next. I'm not throwing stones at Orbea, in particular, as I think they make some good frames. I do, however, want to just give some info on Cyfac.
Frame materials make up one part of the equation. How the frame is built is a much bigger indicator of how it will fit and perform...and whether or not you will be happy with it. The building method and craftsmanship is typically what you are paying for with expensive frames. At least that is the case with Cyfac.
Skilled human craftsmen who weld and finish a frame cost a lot more than unskilled workers operating machines that do the weld, align the frame, and paint it in just a short period of time. You pay a premium for the added attention because you end up with a very high-quality finished product. The tubes may come from the same alu/ti/carbon/steel factory but they are put together into "your" frame in vastly different ways...ways that cost more.
For instance, the welds on Cyfac frames are beautifully hand-finished, the frames are aligned to the 1/100th of a millimeter by one of only 2 such digital calibration tools in all of Europe, they sit and "cure" untouched so that the welds are stable for up to 2 weeks before they are qc'd and then hand-painted (high grade automotive paint only) by a graphic artist. That does cost more.
Also, Cyfac's experience building frames for Laurent Fignon, Bernard Hinault, Claudio Chiappucci, and even Formula 1 world champ Alain Prost means that you get a frame whose geometry is proven and whose production methods are recognized by the world's best. Again, you do pay for that.
Frames built in mass quantities may be right for some people but it's important to understand that the premium attached to the Cyfac frames comes from the care given to them. Whether or not that is important enough to spend the additional money is up to the consumer who can (or is willing to) pay the extra cost.
Cyfac isn't in competition with Orbea or the other big frame companies out there. We only make about 2000 frames a year, by hand, in a small part of France where cycling is king. It's great that there is a lot of choice out there for cyclists, whether it is from a material level, geometric fit, or just aesthetic quality of the paint schemes. More affordable frames mean that more people can get into the sport -- Maybe someday they'll be a Cyfac customer or not. It's just great people are riding.
Thanks for reading.