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Calling all Zurich Owners(13 posts)

Calling all Zurich OwnersMr Nick
Jul 10, 2003 10:48 PM
I am still breaking in my Zurich and cannot seem to get comfortable on the bars. I am trying to figure out the best way to help the situation without spending lots of money, that is why I have been asking many questions. I am 6'2" and riding a 57cm. Currently I am riding a 110mm stem with a 17 degree rise and I am using all of the stock spacers. The handlebars are 1.5" below the seat. This is supposed to be pretty comfortable, but like I said I am still stretched out and having hand pain. I was wondering if anyone has had the same problems and possibley tried a shorter stem? That brings up another question, what helps hands more, a shorter cockpit or higher bars? The last clue I can give you guys to help me figure out if some of my setup is not correct is that I had to put a thomson seatpost on because the stock post had too much setback, and my seat is almost all the way forward, yet I still feel like I slide forward. Sorry for the long post, but the guy who fits me is been really hard to see so I am trying to do some stuff on my own. Thanks.
re: Calling all Zurich OwnersVelojon
Jul 10, 2003 11:32 PM
I'm not a Zurich owner, but a 6'2" person on a 57cm bike having stretched-out problems (I'm assuming the c-c measurement of the top tube is also about 57cm) seems very odd. I'm 5'10" and ride a 56cm c-c bike with a 110 stem (saddle in middle position). Most of the people I know in the 6'- 6'3 range are on 58cm to 61cm frames. It is possible you have very long legs and a short torso, but you would have to be very unusual to have that much stretch on a 57cm frame. Have you looked at yourself in a shop window or mirror while peddling to see how stretched out you really are? What size bike were you on before, and were you comfortable on that bike?
re: Calling all Zurich OwnersMr Nick
Jul 10, 2003 11:55 PM
this is my first road bike. i haven't seen myself in a mirror, but it is very possible that i'm just inflexible. i will definetly check out my position. what would be the ideal back curve? or would there be no curve at all?
re: Calling all Zurich OwnersMJ
Jul 10, 2003 11:55 PM
haven't you just started riding?

put in 500-1000 miles before you do anything rash - try moving your seat around - go to the shop and ask them to take a look at your position

until you put in some real miles on your bike and know what you really need any adjustments are just an excuse to spend money - you haven't actually diagnosed the problem
re: Calling all Zurich OwnersMr Nick
Jul 11, 2003 12:15 AM
i have just started to ride. I try and ride at least 20 miles 3 times a week. my schedule doesn't allow for much more. nothing has been changed on the bike since i purchased it from my lbs except for the stem, which the fitting guy changed on my follow up fit session for free. i haven't spent any money on changes mainly because i receive good advice from the friendly people on this website and realize that most of my problems come from my lack of conditioning. lastly i am trying to put some real miles on my bike, but it is not easy when things are uncomfortable. that is why i ask questions and find out what is normal and what i could possibly change to make things more comfortable.
re: Calling all Zurich OwnersMJ
Jul 11, 2003 12:31 AM
sorry -I wasn't having a go at you at all and didn't mean any offence

my point is that buying stuff isn't gonna make things more comfortable - what makes things more comfotable is putting in the miles - seriously - until you have enough base miles on the bike you aren't really in a position to know what you need to fix a problem - when you start riding it's often not comfortable at all and often riding generally is more about suffering than anything else - you get broken in to riding - it's not like a mtb. which is usually comfortable from the first crank

people on a website can only make suggestions re fit and alterations such as stem etc. if you've been fitted by this guy then you should stick with him and his fit - I wouldn't second guess the guy who's actually seen you for a bunch of folks on the web (who aren't always correct - especially me:-) )

the only thing I'd do until I had a good amount of mileage is move the seat about or raise the handlebars - but my first solution would be to call the fit guy back - if still not solved - see someone else

look at Sheldon Brown's site re things
advice appreciatedMr Nick
Jul 11, 2003 12:45 AM
its good to know that nothing is that abnormal. it is also difficult to remember that road is different from mountain, especially when you've been riding smooth dual suspension. i also was not trying to be rude, i just wanted to make sure that everyone knew i was serious about a proper fit and riding well and not just spending money on anything everything because i could. i have done that in that past to no evail, and am dedicated to getting things right without maxing out my credit cards. thanks again.
sure - no problemMJ
Jul 11, 2003 12:57 AM
it's often difficult for folks who bring a big mtb. background to the road in the fit department - especially on the first bike

for me riding offroad is about fun and thrills (it can be demanding but usually more technically than physically) but the road is for the workout - as you know fit on the road is critical and it's not on the mtb.

you'll find that most serious roadies are only in it for the pain

when I switched from mtb. to road a few years ago I experienced some of your problems - I went with a custom steel frame - stem, post, bars, saddle all to spec. - it took me a good long while (500 plus miles) to feel comfortable - I felt comfortable after fiddling with the seat, raising the bars and putting in the (500 plus) miles - I don't think the seat and bar adjustments did anyting but distracted me - it was all about getting beaten into compliance

having said all this - make sure that you tell the guy who did your fitting what problems you're having - you don't want to suffer needlessly if he overlooked something - especially if you don't enjoy riding cause it isn't comfortable and you don't put the miles in

best of luck
re: Calling this Zurich ownermja
Jul 11, 2003 4:05 AM
Last year I rode a new Zurich, after being off a road bike for a decade. I am 73 in., and rode a 57 cm also. And I too felt stretched out at first -- even installing a shorter 100 mm stem. But over the next 1000 miles, new stems would go on: Back to the 110, then a 120, and finally a 130 mm. Made adjustments to the stack height also: I ended up riding with 20 mm of spacers. Progressively setback went from KOP (knee-over-pedal) of 2 cm behind to even with pedal spindles.

Hang in there! (Check saddle tilt to verify it's level.)
Sounds like you have it backwards.Len J
Jul 11, 2003 4:23 AM
Let's start back at the beginning:

If I understand you correctly, you have changed out the regular setback seatpost with a Thompson & then moved the seat forward, and you still feel like you are sliding forward and you are having hand pain. The first thing you need to do is get your seat in the right place, and chances are (especially at your height) it is more set back. The key to balance on a bike is getting your center of gravity such that you soread your weight between the seat & your hands in such a way that you can take your hands off the bars & not fall forward. I would bet you can't do that. Stand up straight and begin to bend over at the waist (keeping your back straight). The steeper you bend, the more you have to putt your butt out backward to counterbalance your torso & keep yourself from tipping over forward. The same is true on a bike. Use KOP as a starting point (front of Knee Over Pedal spindle) and then try a couple of CM back from there. also make sure that your seat is at least level or nose slightly up (this will keep you from sliding forward. A nose down saddle will force you to push back on your hands to stay upright causing hand pain). Once your seat position is set, then get on the bike and see how it feels. It may feel a little strtched out but this could be due to being new to road biking. Once you are settled on your seat, try flattening your back (by moving your abdomen towards the top tube) and you will take pressure off your neck as you look forward, as well as reduce the amount of strtch out. In addition this will position your sit bones (because it will rotate your pelvis forward) properly on the seat. Once in this position look down at the hub through the handlebars. A rule of thumb is that the hub should be obsured by the bars in a proper position. It's just a rule of thumb so close is OK.

This new position should take pressure off your hands, ride with it for a while (10 to 150 miles)(especially with the flat back) to get used to it (it will feel odd) and see if it helps.

One other possibility is to rotate your bars slightly up to change the hood position slightly. this can change the pressure points on your hands.

Finally, wear gloves & change your hand positions frequently while riding. I get pain when I stay in one position too long.

Good luck

Len
Sounds like my advice in different words.dzrider
Jul 11, 2003 4:46 AM
The key is in the balance. With too much weight on your hands, or the other extreme, too much weight on your seat it's very hard to stay comfortable for much of a ride. I'd also recommend keeping your palms facing eachother rather than facing the ground.
Sounds a bit smallshamelessgearwhore
Jul 11, 2003 8:29 AM
I didn't end up buying a Zurich but when shopping I spent time at two separate shops that sold them. The first one, the guy said that at my height (6' 1") I would need a 57cm Zurich. At the second store the guy swore that I needed a 61cm. I didn't ride either enough to really comment on the feel, but my point is that you may have fallen prey to buying the size they had built up at the time of sale, rather than what you really need. Also there seem to be different schools of thought on fit. I went with a 60cm on another bike which sounded large to me at the time but works very nice for me.
Go back and complain and ask why they recommended such a small bike for you.
Still getting used to my Zuricht0adman
Jul 11, 2003 9:49 AM
I just got a new (to me) 2002 Zurich and I've only got 280 miles on it. I'm 6'3" and got the 61cm. I swapped out the ass hatchet San Marco Era saddle for my Specialized from my old ride. My Zurich is considerably larger and longer than my last ride (a mid 80s Mercian) and I initially felt like I had too much weight on my hands. I've since moved the seat forward a little, and tilted it slightly back to prevent the falling foward sensation. I've also rotated the bars slightly up to make the hoods higher. The stem is the stock 3T Forgie in the upward position, stock spacers. The seat is about 1.5" above the bars.

The more I ride and experiment with hand positions and work on flexibility and correct ride form, the more the bike becomes comfortable. I agree with the other poster that a lot of comfort comes from breaking yourself into a bike. Once you feel like you can maintain good form for a decent duration, then you can start troubleshooting. I'd say the easiest two fixes might be to tilt the seat slightly back and rotate the bars up a little more. Don't worry about all the rule-of-thumb brake lever location info you read on this site. I've seen numerous Tour riders with their bars rotated way up and brake levers at about a 45 degree angle to the ground. As you get more and more comfortable you can start moving them back down. Good luck, and enjoy that great bike!