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Ms. Queen Bee says: Go ride by yourself!!!!(18 posts)

Ms. Queen Bee says: Go ride by yourself!!!!eschelon
Jul 3, 2003 5:48 AM
Allow me to set the scene: Wednesday night group ride...rather "Race of Attrition Championships".........Anyway, we all start out from the parking lot and ride a neutral race for about 15 minutes in a group of about 30 persons. Then it's hammer time. Immediately 2 main groups form...one is faster. I guess one group ride is the same as others because the first group that I was in (faster one) there are usually about the same 5-8 guys towing the whole group along and as we all do short rotating pacelines at about 25 mph, then you have those neophytes who take their turn at the front and end up slowing the paceline to an almost immediate 20-22 mph and then they just linger there at the front...then the people in the back get annoyed and yell at the front to pull off...this happens over and over and over again. At the red lights, there are people who politely yell out to everyone to take short fast pulls at the front or simply pull off at the front and then go directly to the end of the paceline in the back so that everyone pulls and we get a faster average speed going. Needless to say, I guess when just about everyone is just shy of coughing up their lungs, they don't think very well or at all because the paceline never ended up working like it supposed to. Towards the end of the ride, I looked over at one of the usual ride leaders and said to him let's break away and see what happens...and sure enough he was all for it...so I take off from mid pack and attacked...mind you, It was a clean attack...I didn't cut anyone off and the paceline wasn't disrupted...as I attacked, I had someone else tag on behind me and he and I managed to get a city block distance from the chase group but we both looked back and noticed no one behind us was interested in splitting away. I looked at my cohort and said I'm not that strong to stay away and ride along with just you and me at 27 mph. So we both decided to integrate back into the group because we still had about 20 minutes left in the ride. So as we both start to jump back into the group, this women says to both of us "why don't you guys go ride by yourselves!" So myself and my cohort just looked at each other in puzzlement and annoyance...I mean, wasn't this a group race? I guess he and I finally figured out where this person figured in the hierarchy of this group ride...the Queen Bee!

Needless to say, I am seriously now contemplating on riding the A ride instead of this B ride...but damn, the A ride guys are cat 1,2,3 guys which Frankie Andreu regularly ride with so it ain't gonna be a slow ride. I can't help but feel like I'm going way over my head on the A ride...but damn, I wish there was a AB ride for those like myself caught in the middle.

That women still has me steamed though. Makes me realize how hypocritical this b1tch is when you consider that we all purposely dropped the slower group a few minutes behind us.
sounds like fun!andy02
Jul 3, 2003 5:58 AM
I haven't had that happen but I can see it. A couple of times been caught not paying attention and found myself in the A group (cat 1-2) guys and it is ok for awhile then I get drop after too long at 35+ mph. I can drift back and let wait for the next group. No body seems to care they not even when I only take a 5 sec pull. the double pace line can be tricky however you have to find someone that is really hurting or they will stay up front longet then you can.

I think it is great that can attack at that level anyway.
Roll it offKristin
Jul 3, 2003 6:06 AM
Snobby, elitist competition and lack of oxygen mingled with PMS will bring out the best in a girl. Ametuer club races are more catty than Miss America competitions to begin with. Thick skin is good for more than road rash. Meow.
Funny... nmnoveread
Jul 3, 2003 6:17 AM
Why don't you try the "A" group, but let them know.......MR_GRUMPY
Jul 3, 2003 6:22 AM
that, if it's Ok buy them, tonight , you'll just sit in, just to see if you can hack the pace. If they don't like it, stay with the "B" group, wait until that woman looks tired, and them attack like crazy. Not a very good way to make friends, but it may shut up that woman.
From an old, slow guy.dzrider
Jul 3, 2003 6:38 AM
I have plotted with riders like myself to slow pacelines down on rides that are described as "not for racers". We get to the front and try to impose our speed the same as the fast riders do. I have no problem with people who speed up a ride faster than I can go, and think they should have no problem with me trying to slow it down. I would never do this on a ride that's clearly described as faster than I can go, but often rides are advertised at 16-18 mph only to have the fastest riders pushing the pace higher.

When I've gone on rides that I know are going to be faster than I can handle for more than a little while, here's what I do. First, I warm up before the ride so I can stay with them easily as they warm up. I tell a few riders that I won't be able to keep up and that when I go off the back, they shouldn't worry because I can fix my own flats and have no fear of being lost. I'd much rather ride by myself than slow a fast ride down and often there are other riders who are happy to have somebody who knows the road to help them find their way when they get dropped.
Try the A ridefiltersweep
Jul 3, 2003 7:35 AM
Even if you end up sucking wheel the entire ride...

I ride with a similar group, and there are generally just three or four of us that set the pace and drag everyone else until we hit a small hill or two and maybe five or six finish together. The rest generally don't pull because they tend to blow up and are never seen again.

The difference is, this ride has been occuring for months, and everyone clearly knows what to expect, so there are never any hard feelings if someone is dropped, or the pace gets out of hand, or we deviate from the route to add a few miles. You almost need a tacit quorum within the group to steer sentiment in your direction. Earlier in the season, some riders were seriously angry when we took a few detours that involved better roads. Our attitude was they can stick to the map if they like... nobody was forcing them.

One major issue with group rides is that C rides tend to be B rides, B rides are really A rides, no-drop rides usually drop people, A rides can be ?? rides. Nothing is ever as advertised. Not to defend this woman, but perhaps this is where she is coming from?
tell her the truth . . .bill
Jul 3, 2003 7:55 AM
it's because you want to look at her a**.
Although, I have to say, this is yet another instance of everyone's needing to get a grip. You too, dude. So what if she said something grumpy? You had fun. Just as you ask, why do people get p*ssed off for someone else's having fun, why would you get p*ssed off for someone else's getting p*ssed off for your having fun?
Although (OTOH although), if you're driving the paceline at 27 mph, unless they grow them different where you are, that ain't no B ride, unless the A ride consists of 1/2/3 racers. If I were out for a sort of fast aerobic 18-22 mph recreational evening ride and somebody drove it up 3-5 mph, I would be p*ssed off, too.
you be trippin'.The Human G-Nome
Jul 3, 2003 8:52 AM
he didn't up the pace a few mph, he broke away clean from the pack. they're not the same thing and his antics didn't interrupt the paceline. also, your reasoning begs for another bong hit.
our hero says that part of the paceline was driving at 22,bill
Jul 3, 2003 9:48 AM
part at 25. That's a discrepancy in ability/purpose that is going to create a problem. That means that part of the paceline is thinking this thing is too slow, I refuse to slow down why won't they just pick it up to where I'm going as fast as I want to go, and the other part is thinking this thing is too fast, I can't do it why are they going so fast when I get to the front I'm slowing it down to a manageable pace why won't they get the picture I'm dying here who's in charge here anyway if they want to go that fast why don't they leave me out of it there isn't a fire you know.
Now, who here is being the bigger, shall we say, counterproductive force?
I always hated bongs, by the way.
how many times...The Human G-Nome
Jul 3, 2003 10:03 AM
how many times have i seen a group of uptight roadies flying down the road biiiiching at each other because they can't figure out a freakin' paceline.

1st mistake: they don't bother to set the rules until they're out on the ride or worse, actually in the paceline itself.
2nd mistake: they imagine they MUST follow the wheel in front of them at all costs if they are in the 2 hole, even if the lead man just uped the pace 5mph. think about it.... if you're in the 2 slot and your lead guy jumps and you just sit back then what's going to happen? the lead guy will now be riding his own personal time trial while you'll be the lead on the paceline. you don't have to follow if you're #2!
3rd mistake: assuming that there is one book of rules for pacelining and it comes from the book that you read, is now out of print, and no one else can get their grubby little hands on it.

cyclist make this stuff harder then it should be because they don't bother to communicate. it's like our legs are functioning spectacularly at the detriment of our lips and tongue.
We have a winner!Spoiler
Jul 3, 2003 11:51 AM
"...they imagine they MUST follow the wheel in front of them at all costs if they are in the 2 hole, even if the lead man just uped the pace 5mph. think about it.... if you're in the 2 slot and your lead guy jumps and you just sit back then what's going to happen? the lead guy will now be riding his own personal time trial while you'll be the lead on the paceline. you don't have to follow if you're #2!"

Exactly. The second place rider acts like he's going to get left behind if he fails to respond to the lead rider's jumps in speed. If the guy in front of you can't ride at a steady pace, let him go off the front. When he finally pulls over, pull over behind him, swapping places in line. Now you're ahead of him in the pace line and you don't have to react to his style.
different groups have different paceline expectations. I havebill
Jul 3, 2003 12:08 PM
ridden with racers who love a chase every now and then -- but it does screw up the paceline, and it's definitely not the thing to do when you're working a double paceline at 28 mph. That's bad form. I also have ridden in very disciplined lines, where working together at 23 mph is the object. You just need to decide which ride you're on.
Our hero says that this was a recreational ride, not a race. Meaning that probably the latter situation was more the expectation. It degenerated into a race, for sure, and methinks that part of what our hero wants to tell us is that he went off the front. Good for him. Wreck the paceline, go off the front, and then hook back up because he couldn't sustain it. I think that a little sarcasm may have been in order.
But you're right, communication is key and way underdeveloped. Which is why some people won't ride with strangers, which I find sort of, er, strange in itself.
Let's have fun out there, people.
you be trippin'.The Human G-Nome
Jul 3, 2003 9:52 AM
he didn't up the pace a few mph, he broke away clean from the pack. they're not the same thing and his antics didn't interrupt the paceline. also, your reasoning begs for another bong hit.
I think we all need a bong hit!eschelon
Jul 3, 2003 10:04 AM
One more thing I forgot to add: the Queen Bee earlier in the ride broke away from the paceline with myself at 28 mph for about a half a mile!
you be trippin'.Fender
Jul 3, 2003 12:02 PM
He said he does not like bongs, so he probably prefers rolling them up himself or pipes. Or maybe he's a brownie man.
you be trippin'.The Human G-Nome
Jul 3, 2003 2:59 PM
i'm thinking tea, but that's just a guess.
re: Ms. Queen Bee says: Go ride by yourself!!!!aliensporebomb
Jul 3, 2003 8:47 AM
Unless there are specific documented rules that the B ride
must go no faster than X speed, I suppose she was just being
surly. Queen Bee, right?

I was on a ride with my wife and a friend and this woman
on a road racer pulls up and starts chatting with my wife
about how her Cat A boyfriend took off like a rocket after
some other dude who was going fast and while she was fast
she wasn't that* fast. She's moderately annoyed that he
just took off like that without a word. She was grumbling
"I bet he'd really like it if I rode back to the car and
drove it home without telling him too". Ouch.

The Cat A guy would probably like it though, he'd just
ride home!