Jul 2, 2003 7:54 AM
|Why is it that roadies are assumed to be the arrogant ones but it's the mountain guys that seem to be so defensive. I love both but spent almost all of my time on road. When I do get on my mountain bike and happen to meet someone on the trail they seem to ticked off if I pass going up a hill even if I have a lot of room. On the technical stuff I usually let people pass before I get to it so I wont slow them down. I try to stay a bike length or two back an watch to see the line they take and how the handle the trail. When it easy/flat/wide/hill etc I usually pass or come up to see if they will talk give a few tip etc but they rarely do. If not I put enough distance as not to have to let them pass again in the rough stuff. I just don't get it, in road people always give help advice tips but not in mountain biking. Is it because the see shaved legs and assume roadie prick.|
|You just keep comin across the wrong people...||biknben|
Jul 2, 2003 8:10 AM
|I used to think the MTB guys were more friendly. Maybe now, because it has become mainstream, people aren't so friendly any more. In years past, I'd run into a couple guys at a trail intersection and we'd shoot the sh!t for a few minutes. Even continue on together if we were going the same way. Now, it's just a wave and a grunt if you are lucky. I'm sure it depends on where you are. If the place is packed with riders you're not going to be outgoing to everyone. You wouldn't get to ride much. OTOH, if you're riding some place less traveled, you'll find friendlier folk.|
Jul 2, 2003 8:18 AM
|I've found the exact same thing... the more remote and less popular the trail, the more friendlier the folk. And the more crowded and difficult the trail, the more serious hammerheads. Plus, in many ways, mtn guys are as proud and techie as we roadies are. If you dont have full suspension and disc brakes, then get outa the way, you obviously aren't as serious as they are... know what I mean? I think there are crowds in either roadie or mtn groups that are buttholes. No one typically likes to be passed, just as a matter of principle, especially if they are serious riders.
Im not sure who or where the belief that roadies are elitist. Im not sure I ever bought into that, just like the roadies vs the tri-people. OR the campy vs shimano OR fixies OR bents, or whatever.... blah blah blah. I think all just different spin offs of the same damn thing, an enjoyment of the outdoors and extreme fitness.
Dont sweat it and if it happens just roll your eyes and enjoy your ride. Not worth your time or effort in getting pissy.
So sayeth the funk-
Jul 2, 2003 8:39 AM
|Last nite I crossed paths with a group ride & no one said "hi", just kind of looked at me. Up the road, I came across a guy they'd just dropped. They must be ultra serious, as it's my second encounter without much response.
I find that more MBTRs to not be as friendly for whatever reason, but I just out there to enjoy so I just keep riding... you find enough fun people anyway.
|maybe because they had bad run offs with roadies?||cyclopathic|
Jul 2, 2003 8:27 AM
I wouldn't worry pricks come in all sizes and shapes take it easy
Jul 2, 2003 9:49 AM
|I've been riding mtb (xc mostly with some downhill and DS) for about 15 years, and road riding for maybe 10 years, was a BMX kid before that, and a cyclocross guy more recently. I love anything with two wheels, and I always laugh at the US vs. THEM between all the types of cyclists. I think doing all of them makes you a better more rounded cylist.
The "roadies are pricks" stereotype goes back as far as I can remember. I'm sure a lot of that was due to mountain bike magazines like Mountainbike Action (should be relabeled as Full Suspension Action).
Back in the late '80s and early '90s the mountainbike crowd was way more friendly and laid back. Back then everybody was just a mountainbiker. Now you have all these factions of freeriders, downhillers, XC, singlespeeders. Everybody is trying to be different or cooler. Whatever.
I think with mtb being so much more mainstream now, people are a lot less friendly. This year the trails in our area have been more crowded than I've ever seen, and I've had more encounters with rude mountain bikers than ever before.
Just the other night my friend and I were climbing a singletrack trail and some moron comes flying down out of control, never even touches the brakes or moves off his line, and basically just forces us off the trail as we're climbing. This trail has good sight distance, and a it was a wider spot of the trial, so there is no reason for it.
This morning I'm on my road commute in, I passed this crusty old hippie on a fixie (he was going about 16mph), I smiled and waved. I didn't see much of a response from him. Next thing I know he's on my wheel unnanounced (this guy has done this to me two or three times before). So, I just cruise along down the bike lane at about 19 - 20 mph. Next thing I know he's way out in the driving lane coming around me, then swings back in front. I'm thinking, cool, this guy is going to take a pull for once. Nope, I see him look over his shoulder and try to put a gap on me. He's all over his bike, spinning way faster than he can do smoothly. I easily close the gap and tuck in behing him. Then as we get to the next intersection, he swings way left, then cuts back across to make a right hand turn past my front wheel. I'd hate to be in a crit with the line this guy took. I guess he thought this was some kind of race. Whatever, I just laughed, and kept riding. I wonder how many blocks it took him to get his heartrate back down out of the red.
So, you get rude and annoying people in all shapes, sizes, and walks of life. I think the smaller and more obscure an activity is, the more of a bond people feel with each other. Mountainbiking was that way, but is no more around here. The cyclocross crowd still seems to be that way, which is odd since it's a mix or roadies and mtbr's.
Once something becomes mainstream, I think people show their true colors, and start treating people like crap because they're just another face in the crowd.
Luckily, I think these types are still a minority amongst roadies and mountain bikers. They just stick out like a sore thumb, and give the whole crowd a bad rap.
Think about it. Do you remember the last 10 roadies you saw that waved, or do you remember the one who ignored you?
|great - true||andy02|
Jul 2, 2003 10:20 AM
|I have to agree with you for the most part. I have to say I do remember last sunday going for a ride and needing three-five more hands for waving. The med school was having a ride (38 miles round trip) to a lunch and back. I don't really like those things that much so we went out after I thought they would be gone. But we were going out as they were comming back so we past streams of people going 12-15mph all waving unless they had to ride over a bump then they were gasping for air. It was one of the few roads out so we didn't have much of a choice. Oh we also had a cop that went up and down that street that was looking out for "bad" motorist that kept waving everytime he past. It was a really odd ride. I think it is great that they get people out but wow they were spread all over everywhere. Most went 10 extra mile due to weaving.|
|simple (probably over-simple) explanation||off roadie|
Jul 2, 2003 2:48 PM
|Road bikes are MORE fun to ride in large groups, while MTB's are LESS fun to ride in crowded conditions. Hence road bikling attracts outgoing social people, and MTB attracts intoverts who enjoy the focus on personal achievement.
Most MTB riders I know are habitual loners who will gladly hit a trail solo, and don't like to talk while riding.
In fact, the chatter on some road rides I've done with a local club practially drove me NUTS. It was enough that I would pull off the front of the pack, hoping those who stayed with me would be to out of breath to keep making stupid flappy mouth sounds.
In direct opposition, the last group MTB ride I did, we rode for almost 20 miutes at one piont without saying a word. We all had freshly tuned bikes as well, and the silence was truely impressive. Many MTB riders are quite found of the "stealth bike" effect, maybe because it is more in tune with a wilderness environemt.
Jul 2, 2003 8:20 PM
|While I would call myself a cycling enthusiast before I would label myself as a Roadie or mtn biker.
I do both as well as commute and ride just for fun.
I will have to agree that jerks , snobs and elitists inhabit all activities .
I have seen people in all sports that are like this.
Thankfully it is a small crowd. Most people I have met are nice and will say high or shoot the breeze with you .
Be it a roadie , mtn biker or whatever.
Working in a small LBS on the occasional saturday I talk to casual riders to full blown racers.
Most are nice and will be friendly with you because you share the same two wheeled interest.
There are elitist in mtn biking and road riding .
Just remember that you are a cyclist first , and then catagories yourself after that. If you must.
Jul 3, 2003 5:45 AM
|Hard to say. Some mountain bikers are cool. Others are
aloof. Some roadies are cold as ice. Some are friendly.
I was commuting into the office yesterday and some nice
young lady on a roadie was on the verge of chatty - very
friendly and easy on the eye as well. I was going about
20 mph but she was hammering in the 25 mph range, she
slowed briefly to chat and then continued. Cool.
I said hi to a roadie the other day and he responded with
Darth Vader's scowl. Keeripes. You'd think I'd asked him
to smear his mothers grave with bird poop or something.
Some guys just like the lone wolf thing.