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Terrible Two follow ups?(9 posts)

Terrible Two follow ups?MrCelloBoy
Jun 30, 2003 9:51 AM
The TT was this past weekend. Any forum members ride and survive? Let's hear about it.
I drove lead sag for the first leg. It sounded like this was one of the tougher TT's of recent years.
from a friendDougSloan
Jun 30, 2003 9:59 AM
Terrible Two.
Over a year ago, Paul asked me to do the Terrible Two with him on the tandem
in order to set a new course record. That year, 2002, I decided to do it
solo and set a new women's course record of 11:35.
The Terrible Two (TT) is probably one of the most brutal double centuries
(200 miles) in California with over 16,000 feet of climbing and the majority
of the climbing in the second half. Some years the sun will increase the
difficulty rate by scorching the riders as they climb in the hills without
shade. The race starts in Santa Rosa, north of San Francisco, runs over
several mountain areas as we go from wine country to coast.

Paul and I started planning last year to do the California Triple Crown
Stage Race 2003. This stage race included this TT and two other of the
hardest double centuries. However, as most of you know, my early season
started with a torn ACL and a damaged hamstring. My spring was marked by
‘one step forward' recovery, and then ‘two steps back'. One after one, I had
to give up my race plans, and finally Paul and I just said, ‘lets just see
if we can do the TT' because that was the one that was Paul's big goal for
the season.

First of June, I finally started to feel that my injuries were healing. Paul
and I did a metric double century (200 km, 128 miles). I was toast and
realized I had a lot of training to do before June 28. I trained really hard
for 3 weeks. The week prior TT I went up with Paul and Janet to their house
in Truckee and we did a 3 day bike tour. It was great, but my already by
then tired legs were toasted. The week after that, the week prior TT, I got
soo tired that I got sick. I could not bike and I slept for over 12 hours a
night. I was paying for the too intensive training.

I drove up to Paul McKenzie in Richmond, San Fransisco on Friday. We got the
tandem set up and went for a short spin to check the set up and just move
our muscles a bit. Unfortunately my muscles had been doing nothing fo a
week, so the fast start into the hills resulted in a severe muscle pull in
one of my quadriceps muscles. Just what I needed!! I tried to massage it
lose, but I could feel a tight little roll in my leg and it was hurting.
Nothing to do, just hope that it would not interfere with my ability to
pedal. I knew I could manage the pain, if it did not stop me from keeping

Saturday morning we woke up at 3 am in order to drink our coffee and drive
up to Santa Rosa. The race took of at 5:30. We found the strongest tandem
field in a long time out there. Doug and Carol was a couple that had been
winning lots of doubles in California. Rich and Daryl, two of the strongest
triple crown stage race riders, decided to go on tandem, a pro-mountainbiker
with a partner was out there too. The first 20 miles are always a bit weird.
People are seizing each up, adrenaline, eager to get going. As we get close
to first hill, Doug and Carol take off. Not far up the hill, Paul and I,
Rich and Daryl, take them over, and we realize that the other tandems are no
major competition in the hills, but can pose a threat because they can motor
on the flats. We start the climbs. They are tough, but the first ones are
not too hot yet. At the top of Skaggs we start going down slowly waiting for
Rich and Daryl, but they don't show. (Paul is the fastest captain I know and
he is very skilled. No one can go downhill like he can on a tandem) We start
to worry that they have flatted. If the captain brakes too much, the rims
will overheat and the tires will explode and flat on them. We find out at
the finish that they did overheat the rims. My muscles and lower back hurt
and I take some ibuprofen. We pull a string of solo bikers into the lunch
The first part of the TT is always completely different from part 2. In the
first part there is usually a group of 20 or so fast riders that go out and
try to stay together. In the second part, the riders spread out and the ones
that went out too fast fade out.

As we reach the lunch stop at mile 106, Janet is there helping Paul and me
to refuel. We are in and out in 2 minutes and then hit the Geysers. A long
climb in scorching sun. I don't suffer too much being used to Visalia heat,
but my captain is not feeling too good in the heat. At the top of the climb
we are welcomed with water towels and cold drink. God bless the people
working these doubles. We cruise down the hills in super speed. Paul and I
are flying.

Paul and I take along a few solo bikes and we have a good time although I am
still in quiet some pain. But it is not pain that will stop me from going so
I keep taking ibuprofen. A wall hill hits us before we reach the coast. (The
stoker wants to snake but the captain wants to go straight. The bike was a
bit all over the road.) As we hit the coast, the fog and wind chills us
down. A bit too much though because Paul's knee start to hurt. We motor down
the coast and then attack the last major climb, Fort Ross, which is quiet a
wall. My back hurts and my legs hurt, I take more ibuprofen. Then we have 40
miles to finish. We need to keep pace up. I scoot back on the saddle, bend
over, close my eyes and motor. Breath, pedal, breath, pedal, don't listen to
pain, just go.
We finish at 11:42. We broke the course record for mixed tandem by 40
minutes and we also broke the male tandem record by 10 minutes. I am toast,
I realize that I have consumed more than 3 gram of ibuprofen (not good for
my kidneys and liver).

Bill Oetinger- the organizer- looks at me and says that I looked fresher
last year. I was in better shape, I had not been toast the week before and
solo bike is easier on this course.
Paul and I are pleased. It was a hard TT. Lots of really strong rider really
got toasted by the sun that day and did not do too well. The other tandem
was at least 2 hours behind, and one tandem dropped out. Rich and Daryl came
in laughing in 14 hours, they had had soo many flats and mishaps, but still
in very good mood.

Paul and I are pleased with our effort. We worked hard, we were only of the
bike for approximately 10 minutes to refuel, pee and get food. We saw
beautiful scenery, found some nice solo bikers to chat with, and kept
gaining in on people. We finished approximately 5th overall out of 250
bikers. Then we hung around the rest of the night at the finish. Chatted

Today, recovery. My back is still stiff like steel and I think I will have
to find myself a masseuse. The pulled muscle is still rolling around in my
thigh. No efforts today, washed car, baked, washed bikes, had Timmy over for
lunch, napped a bit, and now I am going to hit the sack because tomorrow
morning I am going to be out on a dairy working with calves.

Catharina Berge [who got seond over all the year I did the 508 solo -- Doug]
Since when did DC's become races?spookyload
Jun 30, 2003 10:55 AM
I thought they were about people getting together and enjoying a sport together. That is why most organizers have abondoned time keeping altogther. Most only log you in and out to track who is still on the course. Going for a personal best is one thing, but to make it sound like a sanctioned race is a great way of keeping people from participating through intimidation.
"Stage races"...fracisco
Jun 30, 2003 11:19 AM
From the website of the TT:

Cyclists who complete any three (or more) of these doubles in a given year receive Triple Crown patches and are officially recognized as the elite long distance bicyclists in California. Just for fun (and bragging rights), three of the hardest, hilliest doubles—in 2003, Devil Mountain, Heartbreak, and the TT-will be offered as a "stage race.". All three events will be timed and Triple Crown officials will publish the aggregate times of riders who complete all three. For more info, go to the CTC website:
two groupsDougSloan
Jun 30, 2003 12:03 PM
There basically are two groups doing doubles. Those who do them for fun, and those who go as fast as they can.

Here, you need not, and most don't, treat them as races. About the top 20 people frequently do. I've done it both ways and racing doubles is definitely not as fun as taking it easy. But then, racing is never easy.

Many of the people racing these things are preparing for other, longer events like FC508 or RAAM.

Doesn't stop me.PseuZQ
Jun 30, 2003 2:20 PM
Of the three doubles I've done, I've come in pretty damn near last. They're hard events, and I'm just getting started. It's super fun.

The only thing that bugged me was running into a couple riders on a training ride once...they did doubles quickly, on a tandem. Told them what time I finished Davis (late, I took my time) and they looked at me in *utter* disbelief, and, I sensed, with a little disdain.

That's OK, though, because they were dorks. I may be slow, but I'm way cooler.
How slow are you ? I bet I'm slower...PeterRider
Jun 30, 2003 8:39 PM
20h50 for Devil Mtn double, how is that for a time ?
38h for Colorado 600km brevet (time limit 40h). Not bad either, huh ?

If you come around SoCal, let's go out for a ride !

16+ for Death Valley and Eastern Sierra. Less for Davis.PseuZQ
Jun 30, 2003 9:00 PM
Slow...but reasonably happy!

Reading your ride reports makes me want to ride in SoCal...beautiful stuff. I've give a holler if I head down that way. No dead bodies under space blankets, though!
slower can be funnerDougSloan
Jul 1, 2003 6:07 AM
Three years in a row I did Central Coast Double, with lots of climbing. The first two years I was in pure race mode, killing myself the whole way, barely crawling into the finish nearly brain dead.

The third year, last year, I decided I was going to do it purely for fun, never hurt, and enjoy the scenery and friends out there riding. Used a triple and spun my way up the hills, taking time to really enjoy the trip up from the coast.

Guess what? I was only 10 minutes slower, and did a negative split, faster average speed after lunch than before. I passed several dozen riders in the last 50 miles and finished feeling just fine. Couldn't believe it. I think the key was not going out too fast, which is a real temptation in a double -- to stay in a paceline and blow up.

Anyway, even slightly slower can be much more enjoyable.