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Sobering news: Cyclists killed in my old neighborhood(16 posts)

Sobering news: Cyclists killed in my old neighborhoodPdxMark
Jun 25, 2003 8:14 AM
I got to work this morning after a very nice ride in to hear that two cyclists had been hit and killed late last night. A third cyclist was in critical condition. The minivan driver was caught because a police officer saw two bikes being dragged just 3 blocks later.

It happened at 12:30 last night on a wide, two lane, reasonably lit urban connector street. In other words, someplace you'd feel safe riding at night with reasonable lights on your bike. In other other words, the very type of place and time I frequently ride on my way home after working late.

So, be safe out there. Wear bright clothes. Use lights at night.
Jun 25, 2003 8:22 AM
It's a bad week for cyclists in the Portland area...mdehner
Jun 25, 2003 8:31 AM
On Monday a 16 year old boy on a bike was killed by a MAX train...
Jun 25, 2003 8:39 AM
Yeah, it may be insensitive, etc., but a 16-year-old kid crossing the tracks to beat a slow moving train reeks of "thinning the herd."
Insensitive? Ya Think?mdehner
Jun 25, 2003 8:53 AM
Of course I don't know the details or what the kid was thinking, but it sure sounds like typical teenage invincibility at work. If all teens who ever did something reckless or impulsive were "thinned," I recokon our species would have been on the brink of extinction long ago.
Insensitive? Ya Think? Yeah a bit.Walter
Jun 25, 2003 10:04 AM
I think mdehner got it right about teen-age invulnerability being at play here. To be blunt, if you didn't do something really stupid when you were a kid, something that could easily have been a disaster but now brings a little bit of a smile to your must have spent your childhood/teenage years wrapped up in mommy's arms 24-7.

Seems like he was a real good kid. It's a shame that sometimes we don't get to learn from our mistakes.

Regarding the deaths of the cyclists by the drunk driver, he needs to go to jail for a very long time.
Fundamental differenceDropped
Jun 25, 2003 10:20 AM
While completely admiting my lack of sensitivity, am I the only one that thinks trying to beat a train to a crossing is more than a bit removed from your typical dumb kid stuff?

Kinda reminds me of the kid that got eaten by an aligator down in Florida last week. He knew the aligator was there. All of his friends told him not to swim because he'd get eaten. Yet he still went in the water. Typical kid thinking he's invincible or part of the herd that needs to be thinned?
cyclists riding after midnight?ColnagoFE
Jun 25, 2003 9:14 AM
I've ridden at night plenty, but 1215am? Probably no lights either. Doesn't sound like the safest time to be out riding...even with a light.
cyclists riding after midnight?filtersweep
Jun 25, 2003 10:05 AM
Exactly- while it sucks, this isn't exactly "roadbiking" news....
24 Hour MTB'rs out training?r-kelley
Jun 25, 2003 11:18 AM
I know you can't judge the rider by the bike, but I'm guessing this wasn't the case as the bike I could see didn't look like a training bike. But I know that when people are training for a 24 hour race, a lot of riders will go out at all sorts of crazy hours to know what it will feel like when they are racing. Not really safe but not unheard of.
cyclists riding after midnight? I do it almost every week...PdxMark
Jun 25, 2003 11:23 AM
I ride home from work. I have lights, reflectors, and bright clothes. Just what time do you propose cyclists be driven off the roads? When you're done with your ride? In addition to being a recreational activity in which you load a bike into a car a drive to a nice starting point, people also use bikes for daily transportation. Day and night.
not saying they don't have the right to be thereColnagoFE
Jun 25, 2003 12:19 PM
i commuted for years and still find myself out past 10-11 some nights on my bike (properly lit of course). i was just saying that past midnight is not the safest time to ride--or drive a car for that matter. all numbers of drunks and tired drivers are out at that time. when i'm out late on my bike i always keep in mind that i might as well be invisible to drivers so i ride pretty defensively as a result. i also pick the safest routes possible even if they are longer.
Agreed... the street they were killed on...PdxMark
Jun 25, 2003 12:37 PM
is a residential collector street. 30 mph speed limit. Plenty wide to ride on even at peak traffic times. If that street is lethal, they all are... (which is of course true)

I think the danger at these low traffic times is that drunks etc. can get going pretty fast with the dearth of cars out there...
Too close to home.Dropped
Jun 25, 2003 8:36 AM
Scary that this is about 2-3 miles from where I live. This makes 3 cyclists killed by drunk drivers in the past week here. WTF is going on? Guess I'm going to stick to the side-streets after dark.
Be careful at nightSkooter
Jun 26, 2003 1:21 AM
I work the night shift and train for tri's at all hours of the day. The only thing I would say is use common sense. Some studies say that up to 40% of drives after the hours of midnight have had something to drink. I am not sure if this is accurate but food for thought. As a Cop I am ultra conservative when training at night. I run on the curbs and ride to my advantage, not the rules of the road. Trust me drunks dont see you just because you have a flashing light on your rear and reflectors.

Stay safe Scoots
re: Sobering news: Cyclists killed in my old neighborhoodaliensporebomb
Jun 27, 2003 4:27 AM
That particular incident was a drunk driver, driving
illegally on a revoked license who hit those cyclists.

News reports say his blood-alcohol levels were twice the
legal limit.

The cyclists, two of which were members of the local
portland group "spooky dance band" (see the url at Very sad.

The reason they were riding at night is there was an
organized group ride in the area that they were riding
back from.