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differences in steel frames...(9 posts)

differences in steel frames...mjpwooo
Jun 23, 2003 10:31 AM
I searched for this topic, and found nothing, so if this is a repeat, I'm sorry.

I think I'm leaning towards a steel road bike (currently have only a P2K) for my off-season training rides, and through just a little bit of research realized that there are A LOT of types of steel frames (materials made), like Reynolds, Columbus, etc.

Is there anywhere that discusses the differences in these materials? If I am going to drop $1500+ for a bike (I am not rich), I am making it count.

Thanks!!!
re: differences in steel frames...03Vortex
Jun 23, 2003 10:40 AM
I am not schooled in the differences but if I may make a recommendation in this price range, look at the Lemond Zurich (Reynolds 853). I have one since '97 but recently purchased a Litespeed.
re: differences in steel frames...txcross
Jun 23, 2003 10:49 AM
Reynolds
http://www.reynolds-cycle.com/internet/english/prodrange/steel/steel.htm

Columbus
http://www.columbustubi.com/english/acciaio/index.htm

Dedacciai
http://www.bringheli.com/dedacciaisteel.html

Not sure if there is anything out there that compares all three groups to each other though...
re: differences in steel frames...mgolebiewski
Jun 23, 2003 1:05 PM
The Zurich is around $1800-1900 last I checked (which was 2 months ago when I was shopping)

You may want to look at the Lemond Buenos Aires It is the step down at 1500 and there are not alot of differences. The difference in the frame is in the rear triangle on the buenos aires is not 853 as it is in Zurich.

I just picked up a Buenos Airies and could not justify the $300-400 price jump to the Zurich and I love the bike.
re: differences in steel frames...rayclark
Jun 23, 2003 6:05 PM
I just bought a 2003 Zurich in April. Payed $1650 out the door. Great bike. Love the ride.

Ray
Main difference is weight.MXL02
Jun 23, 2003 10:52 AM
The three main companies that manufacture steel tubing are Columbus and Dedaccai(Italian) and Reynolds. The top of the line tube sets are the lightest...Columbus Foco and Ultrafoco, or Dedaccai EOM, and Reynolds 853. Unless weight is a real issue, Getting heavier steelset like Columbus Genius, Thron or Zona tubing will save you a bundle on cost.

http://www.desperadocycles.com/The_Lowdown_On_Tubing/About_Steel_Tubing_frameset.htm
http://www.reynolds-cycle.com/internet/english/prodrange/steel/steel.htm

http://www.columbustubi.com/index.htm
Main difference is weight.moschika
Jun 23, 2003 7:06 PM
there is also true temper tubing.

http://www.truetemper.com/performance_tubing/biketube.html
re: differences in steel frames...Chris Radders
Jun 24, 2003 6:29 AM
I'm not sure of any websites that discuss the differences in tubing but from my experiencies of using many different frames I'd recommend getting a frame made of Dedacciai. Bottom of the range Deda tubing performs as well (in my opinion) as mid to top-of-the-range Reynolds/Columbus tubing. Reynolds is a lot heavier than Deda while only the top of range Columbus is any good. (Try to avoid the bottom of the range Columbus stuff as it's absolute rubbish!).

Regards

Chris
re: differences in steel frames...xxl
Jun 24, 2003 1:16 PM
There was a book published back in the late eighties, early nineties, "Metallurgy for the Bicyclist," or a similar title, that reported some destructive tests involving what were the hot tubesets at the time (i.e., Reynolds 531, 753, 525, Columbus SL/SLX, TrueTemper, Tange, etc.), and showed some definite strength differences, but also that all of them were going to be strong enough for most cycling. In other words, "it's all good." Dated reference, to be sure, but steels have only improved. Odds are, whatever you get, the steel itself won't be the weak link in the chain. Since it's your winter trainer, I wouldn't get as anal about the steel as I would the build/geometry/fit, and your overall comfort level on the bike. With your budget concerns, I'd be thinking of a fixed-gear trainer. Even new, they're cheap, and used/DIY conversions are of course all the rage (cf. "Fixed Gear Forum"), plus you can use the money you save on the really nice Assos winter gear, which, while shamelessly high end, will still be within your budget, and which I guarantee you'll notice a lot more than the type of steel you're forking when you're on those subfreezing December rides.

If you absolutely must have gears, I have two words: icy hills. Having said that, I'd look at Fuji, Gunnar, or Lemond for budget steel rides.