|Almost ran over a roler blader on a MUT||jradford|
Jun 20, 2003 8:26 AM
|I was riding at about 33km/h just spinning my legs out after doing my interval workout and was heading down the MUT to do some hill climbing.
Well I could see a roller bladder down the trail in my lane and he was not looking at me but behind him (he was heading towards me). well when I got in vocal distance I shouted Heads up!. The Bladder did nothing and was still looking at this girl that was siting in the grass just off the trail. Now I scream Heads up!! and he turns and totally freaked out now almost falls but manages to avoid me. As I ride by him I say Pay attention.
I fell bad that I almost hit this gut even though it was his fault. To top it off the trails were very bisy last night.
could I have avoided this situation or did I handle it correctly
|ah, the temptations of chix in spandex||rollo tommassi|
Jun 20, 2003 8:34 AM
|I think you handled it just fine - I mean, what else do you have to do?
was the "Bladder" wearing headphones too?
I once saw a guy jogging totally swivel his head to ogle another woman jogging/jiggling...and he fell ass over tea kettle!
|so lemme get this straight...||Steve_0|
Jun 20, 2003 8:49 AM
|you're riding 18 mph in a 'bisy' mut, you SEE another user (who has every right to skate there) isn't paying attention, you ASSUME he's not hard of hearing or even deaf, you apparrently dont bother slowing or even stopping, and you claim it's HIS fault?
Sounds pretty reckless to me. Just Slow down. Stop if necessary. Or ride in the street.
|so lemme get this straight...||jradford|
Jun 20, 2003 9:13 AM
|there is a reason why they have a yellow line painted down the centre of the MUT.
Next time he should stay on his own side and then he can look wherever he wants.
|You seemed surprised that MUT's are not condusive...||eschelon|
Jun 20, 2003 9:31 AM
|for bicycling...well, I'm not going to assume you knew this...but suffice to say, if you are going any faster than the average regular recreationalist on the MUT, you have no business being there. Although you have every legal right to use the MUT, that doesn't necessarily mean you should. MUT's are unsafe for bicyclists looking for a workout or any speed that is beyond the average speed of a regular person...my subjective limit to ever using an MUT is anything over 12-15 mph, I ride on the street.
Let's face it, We all b1tch and moan about stupid roller bladers and joggers and etc. on MUTs but really, do you really expect them to use the streets/roads like us? No. We're better off in the streets/roads than they are.
|oh geez. so, your self-described "subjective limit" is the end||bill|
Jun 20, 2003 9:47 AM
|all and be all? Give me a break. Everybody relax.
Users are all over the map on speeds on MUT's. You've got joggers, you've got walkers, you've got moms and dads with strollers, you've got little kids on bicycles, you've got casual recreational cyclists, not-so-casual cyclists -- what does your "subjective limit" have to do with any of this? You can't possibly think that you have addressed all of these relative speeds.
The one thing that you have to be ready for on an MUT is anything. You have to watch, look, and listen. That goes for everyone, bladers and strollers as well as cyclists.
If you have a clear view, and there's no one ahead, are you saying that I shouldn't exceed your "subjective limit?" Why not, exactly? And, if I'm approaching a blind corner, your "subjective limit" is too high. So how about common sense? The original poster was complaining that the blader wasn't using any, and he was right. The blader was wrong. Doesn't give you license to smash into the guy, but you get to complain.
Now, there may be an objective reason for this difference in perspective. See, I don't know about where you are, but around here, the MUT's aren't called MUT's. They're called bike trails, and they're called that for a good reason. They're bike trails, because they were built with transportation funds as cycing commuter routes. So, if you use the bike trails and get all lathered up because you encounter a bicycle, that's not really the bicyclist's fault.
Now, I'm not going to go out and do my time trial on the MUT -- that doesn't require a whole lot of common sense. But 18 mph is hardly overly aggressive.
|Perhaps, MUT problems are subject to each demographic||eschelon|
Jun 20, 2003 11:04 AM
|reason because, I can't ever justify using an MUT based on the meager benefits versus the overwhelming problems associated with it in my area. My brother going at 18 mph rammed his tri bars into some kids jaw and knocked out a few chompers...his parents and relatives were freaked and I almost had a good ole' rumble with them all...yeah, MUTs are the best thing! If I had kids, I sure as hell wouldn't appreciate bicycles on MUTs period! But the rest of you guys keep on truckin and b1tchin' about MUTs and its clueless users.
Am I the only person on this board sick and tired of people b1tchin about MUTs?
I think I should stop reading these MUT b1tch threads...people are probably tired of reading myself and others b1tching about people b1tching about MUT users...it's a viscious circle.
|Rock on, brother Bill.||djg|
Jun 20, 2003 1:59 PM
|I ride pretty conservatively on the bike trails (as you know, I'm not all that fast in any case). At certain times (e.g., the morning commute) it's pretty easy to ride safely and to do so at a decent clip, for decent stretches of path. Even on weekends, you can find stretches of the W&OD where you can ride a good deal faster than 15 mph without startling the babywalkers or any of the bladers who are too wrapped up in Ms. Spears over the headphones to take in the world around them. And you can find stretches where you cannot.
The amazing key, IMO, is to pay attention and modify one's behavior to suit the traffic. Also, I try not to assume that total strangers who may or may not be on the path for the first time have a psychic sense of my own private rules of the road (or any others).
|ok, let's go with that....||Steve_0|
Jun 20, 2003 10:28 AM
|so you're riding fast down a bisy city street. You see an old-timer in his '58 pontiac coming at you on your side of yellow line. Do you decide the yellow line is there for a reason, simply honk your horn and continue on at 55?
No, you'd brake heavily, and probably even get off the road, for your safety as well as his.
two wrongs and all...
|18 mph is not "too fast" for MUT||WhoWasThat|
Jun 20, 2003 11:56 AM
|No speed is, provided you use common sense and ride within your limits to avoid whatever else is out there. Hey that could mean, given a particular crowd, that 10 mph is too fast. It could also mean that 40 mph is not too fast.
I would have slowed down to avoid hitting the blader whether he was on "my side" or not. I also would have scolded him to keep to the right.
|Actually Kato, I'd be willing to bet it is||Kristin|
Jun 20, 2003 12:13 PM
|Around here the MUT's have maximum speed limits of 13 MPH.|
|Anyone get a ticket for exceeding 13 mph||WhoWasThat|
Jun 20, 2003 1:14 PM
|on your local trails? The law isn't just what's written in the law books. The law is what's observed and enforced in the community.
There may be a 'speed limit' on the trail, but it doesn't mean much unless it's enforced.
Common sense should prevail. If there's no one around, feel free to go fast. If there's some hazard, take every precaution to avoid it.
|Yes, Here they are issuing tickets||CallMeClyde|
Jun 20, 2003 7:09 PM
|for over 15mph, for not audibly warning other users when passing, and other posted trail rules.
Clipped from the Cascade Bike Club forums:
Contact Dennis Peterson
Release Date June 6, 2003
Lake Forest Park Police enforcing Burke Gilman Trail Regulations
Lake Forest Park Police will be enforcing all of the regulations on the Burke-Gilman Trail.
The police will be enforcing all of the regulations. These include the 15 miles per hour speed limit, the Stop and Yield signs, the requirement to let people know when passing and the Lake Forest Park regulation requiring bicyclists to wear helmets.
There is a $67 fine for failure to obey the trail regulations.
For more information please contact Lake Forest Park Police Department 206-364-8216.
Attached you will find a copy of the King County Code on Trail use.
7.12.295 Trail use.
|A trail by any other name is still a trail...||crestlinefarm|
Jun 20, 2003 12:07 PM
|Thanks for all the insight, the trail I ride on (Seattle's Interurban Trail) recently painted some "Bicyclists Please Share the Trail" signs on the pavement. At first I thought that seemed odd--but now I see that it is probably a cry out from parents worried about their children's welfare. Since I commute on weekdays, the 12 miles of the trail I use is mostly void of other people, aside from the occasional other bicycle commuter, roller blader, jogger, or person out walking their dog. On weekends, I bet that trail is jam packed with all the above, plus kids in strollers to boot. Cyclists riding at high speeds would be incredibly dangerous. IMHO, it comes down everyone being responsible for themselves and using a shred of common sense.
I've had my share of close calls with both pedestrians and vehicles, and am often amazed at the awkward place "in-between" that bicyclist occupy--not pedestrians, but not quite vehicles. A jay-walking pedestrian has walked out in front of me, and a driver has yelled to "get on the sidewalk".
We can't win...