|How do you handle that guy that sucks off your back wheel?-nm||Squishy|
Jun 16, 2003 7:01 PM
|Drop him or ...||PdxMark|
Jun 16, 2003 7:06 PM
|slow up and tell him nicely that you'd like to ride alone and don't want him on your wheel.|
|Fart !||the bull|
Jun 16, 2003 7:08 PM
|Won't Work...Talk to Yourself Out-Loud||PsyDoc|
Jun 17, 2003 7:50 AM
|...cause the smell will dissipate very quickly. If you really want to freak people out, then begin talking out-loud to yourself about weird and crazy stuff. The person behind will either a)drop off because they are laughing so hard, or (b) they will drop off because they fear for their life.|
|Flailing at invisible circling birds is effective as well (nm)||Crankist|
Jun 17, 2003 9:02 AM
|If it's a guy...||Willz|
Jun 16, 2003 7:14 PM
|I would keep my hands to myself.|
|OK, maybe it is just a gender difference...||jtolleson|
Jun 16, 2003 7:28 PM
|but my humble (female) reaction is "who gives a crap?" Someone is behind me, maybe even drafting... so what? And if you are working hard enough, often times it is hard to even notice.
Am I missing something?
Jun 16, 2003 7:35 PM
|I never have understood the animosity toward wheel suckers. It's not like they are making the ride any harder, and there is very little they could do to endanger you.
With a mirror I always use know, they never sneak up on me. So, usually if someone gets close I'll turn and say hello. This is, of course, after I've seen them coming a quarter mile back and goosed the throttle a little, making sure to back off so I'm not out of breath if they catch up. ;-)
Jun 17, 2003 4:58 AM
|I appreciate the gesture of taking a pull, especially if they've caught me, but mostly I don't care what other riders do as long as they don't put me at risk or say nothing when I say hi.
I suspect the animosity is left over from racing and exacerbated by Palotta Aids riders who believe that those who draft burn in hell.
|Me three.||KG 361|
Jun 17, 2003 11:00 AM
|I really don't care much. Saturday I rode with a guy who was riding his 1st century. I took most of the pulls. No big deal. It helped him complete a milestone for him and it didn't hurt me. Besides, he was good company.|
|It's a "guy" thing||MR_GRUMPY|
Jun 17, 2003 5:25 AM
|I think it would take Dr. Freud to be able to explain it.|
|nice innuendo nm||DougSloan|
Jun 17, 2003 7:05 AM
|depends on who it is and what you want||theBreeze|
Jun 16, 2003 7:37 PM
|(A) Is this someone you started riding with who just won't take a pull?
(B) Someone unknown who stuck on to you while out on a ride?
(C) Are you in the mood for company IF they'll work with you? (D) Or do you want to be alone?
Pull out and politely say "Your turn." They'll either say no thanks and drop back or move on ahead. If it's your buddy let him (or her) know what you expected at the start.
If you want to be alone also politely say so "Hey I'm out for a little solitude here, do you mind going on ahead or droping back?"
It's all about communication people. No one is a mind reader.
|sometimes I pull, sometimes I slow down, sometimes...||terry b|
Jun 16, 2003 7:45 PM
|....I tell them to get lost. I exclusively reserve hostility for MTB riders though since they never reciprocate.
Generally, I don't mind. But sometimes when I am really trying to zone out they surprise me and then I get wrapped up in the safety aspect (since I have not idea if they can ride) and I'll either strike up a conversation to bring them forward or slow down until they pass. If I think it's going to ruin my ride, I figure out a way to send them along.
|How could this be a safety issue? Even if he crawled up your||bill|
Jun 17, 2003 9:04 AM
|butt, bumped wheels, or whatever, about 100 times out of a hundred the guy in the rear is the one who goes down.|
|How could this be a safety issue? Even if he crawled up your||terry b|
Jun 17, 2003 10:46 AM
|gee, maybe I was thinking about his safety? perhaps something darts out in front of me and I jam on the clamps and he and/or I end up on the asphalt?
would you like to take the position in this debate that two people riding in close proximity with the front one (perhaps) unaware of the back one is a safer combination than one person riding alone?
|disagree||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 3:47 PM
|how often are you "unaware" that someone has taken your wheel? wheel sucking is just part of cycling. i never understand why people take up these arguments. you don't want some random cyclist anywhere near your wheel, but all of a sudden you care about his safety? i highly doubt that is your motivation for not wanting to get sucked. if you're so much better then the rider behind you, drop him. if he's better then you, slow. further, if you don't want to be sucked, then just slow, period. just can't understand the problem here.|
|disagree too||terry b|
Jun 17, 2003 7:09 PM
|if I am zoned out thinking about crap then yes, I do get surprised. sometimes I'm not paying attention to what's going on behind me, I'm focused on my thoughts and what's in front of me. some of the time people creep up on you - it's not like they're always announcing their presence.
what's so hard about understanding that people sometimes like to ride alone? if I go on a club ride, I'm hardly going to complain about someone catching a draft am I? but if I chose to go out on my own, perhaps that's the way I want to ride, alone. I'm having a hard time understanding why you'd have a hard time understanding this.
|disagree too||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 11:30 PM
|and i'm having a hard time understanding why you wouldn't just slow or say "i'd prefer to ride alone". is this person not worth the words or bother? it really doesn't seem like it would take that much effort, especially in contrast to the effort your giving in the saddle.|
|disagree three||terry b|
Jun 18, 2003 5:19 AM
|please go back and read what I said in the first place. to make it easy, I'll quote it here for you,
"I'll either strike up a conversation to bring them forward or slow down until they pass."
doesn't seem like we're that far apart does it?
|and you can tell a mtb'er is <b>behind</b> you....how?!||_rt_|
Jun 17, 2003 10:32 AM
|that's a pretty broad statement that mtb riders 'never reciprocate'. it seems that a lot of roadies never reciprocate since this question got posted on a roadie site.....just an observation.
if someone is wheel sucking and it isn't affecting my ride, have at it. the only time a wheel sucker has ever annoyed me was towards the end of a brutally hilly century when a friend & i were trading pulls to get to the finish and some random dude sat on our wheels for a good 5 miles, never pulling through, and then stood up and sprinted around us.
our solution? we chased him down and beat him back to the start/finish.
rt - will always pull through if i can
Jun 17, 2003 10:50 AM
|I was actually referring to the handful of times I have been latched onto by MTBers who announce themselves "hey man, I'm just catching some air back here" and then proceed to tail me forever. Never, not even one time has one pulled around and come to the front. Maybe they don't have the speed, maybe they just like the vacuum, don't know, don't care. Perhaps too broad a generalization, but then biases sometimes spring from experience, don't they?|
|were they riding mountain bikes?...||_rt_|
Jun 17, 2003 11:58 AM
|or did you assume they were mtb'ers because they sat on your wheel? i'm not trying to be argumentative, i'm just curious as to how you knew this handfull of riders were mtb'ers.
if they were on mtbs and managed to get on your wheel my guess is that they probably didn't have the oomph to go around you. that's a lot of bike to move out into the wind and pull around. it's impressive that someone on a mtb (with knobbies, i'm assuming) was able to catch you on a road bike at all.
i'd say it is a broad generalization if you're basing it on a "handful" of experiences. And yes, i believe all biases spring from experience. where else would they come from?
|were they riding mountain bikes?...||terry b|
Jun 17, 2003 12:31 PM
|yes, they were riding MTBs, that's why I referred to them as MTBers.
this bunch seemed to be a special case. in the true spirit of the original post, they didn't come up behind me, they latched on when I passed. while there are plenty of MTBers that could dust me even on my road bike, this clan was of the type that grabs on when you might be at a lower crusing speed (albeit faster than they are riding.) they hang for a while and sometimes fall off when they realize my paltry speed is still above what they can hold with knobbies. sometimes they hang longer, but they never go to the front. I generally will excuse myself and say "I'm riding alone thanks."
|they come from||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 3:50 PM
|And yes, i believe all biases spring from experience. where else would they come from?
unfortunately, these days they come from the media and television more then from personal experience.
|They were smoking dope. (nm)||53T|
Jun 17, 2003 5:28 PM
|sometimes I pull, sometimes I slow down, sometimes...||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 3:48 PM
|ok, fair enough... give me an example of how this has "ruined your ride".|
|sometimes I pull, sometimes I slow down, sometimes...||terry b|
Jun 17, 2003 6:59 PM
|don't you ever just want to be left alone?
hell, I put up with in-your-face-macho-sh!thead crap 11 hours a day, 5 days a week working at a place that thrives on that culture (and provides you with that little slice of silicon you use to hang out here by the way.) sometimes I just want to go out and ride, I don't want anyone in my personal space. plain and simple. cycling is a meditative experience for me, one that I rely on to keep sane. if I head out looking for a peaceful solo experience, and someone invades it - then my ride can be ruined.
that's why I said it the way I did - I'm never rude, I don't get ugly, I don't threaten or cut people off. I just find a nice friendly way of letting them pass and go on.
other times it's a blast hooking up with strangers, trading pulls or shooting the breeze. just not every time someone appears on my wheel.
|sometimes I pull, sometimes I slow down, sometimes...||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 11:32 PM
|i'm getting you. i agree. it just makes me wonder why one would want to worry so much about something that is so easily solveable and isn't a very big deal. it's like worrying about the rain if you live in Seattle.|
|re: How do you handle that guy that sucks off your back wheel?-nm||Noam|
Jun 16, 2003 10:53 PM
|start socializing he may be a nice guy, or clear your nose a couple of times to each side.|
Jun 17, 2003 12:50 AM
|It often happens that I notice a rider ahead of me, let's say 200 metres or so. I can't help but accelerate a bit and find out whether I'm approaching fast or not. If so, he's probably less strong than I am, so no real competition. Let him draft by all means. If it doesn't kill him, it'll make him stronger. If he doesn't relay at all he either can't or doesn't like to give ear (or leg) to this natural urge. You are simply too formidable... The nicest is when he hooks up with you, takes over a few times with intimidating speed; you can barely follow; ... then drops off completely. He underestimated you. (What's the expression in English? Translated from Dutch it is something like: he exploded; he blew himself up. = he went faster for a short time than his body -heartrate, breath, legs- could handle)
I learned and gained a great deal by trying to stay with stronger guys. To just once take the lead for a few hundred metres when you feel you'll not be able to keep up much longer anyway. Thanking them with this gesture. Your panting and unelegant movements on the bike will tell them that you've never been a real match.
We are not talking racing here of course during which other standards apply.
If it takes a long time to get to his wheel, I am interested. I rest a little while behind him and then take the lead. If he understands the rules of the game, he'll take his turn again and so on, for a great distance during which usually a conversation starts about the wind, our bikes, etc. A nice way to meet someone. We both travel at a far greater speed than otherwise and thank one another heartily at parting.
Enjoy! Luke. Amsterdam. www.iwaarden.com
|"he blew up" is correct. (nm)||Frith|
Jun 17, 2003 6:24 AM
|re: Nothing, it's a training ride...||anzoni|
Jun 17, 2003 1:06 AM
|Everyone's free to do what they like. If they can't keep up a faster speed than I, why should they back off or try to lie ahead? No problem! That makes you push harder if you want to!|
|Grasshopper, you miss the point.||jesse1|
Jun 17, 2003 2:57 AM
|Let him stay. He feeds your ego. He compliments you in your superior power. He can be an asset to your drive. He acknowledges you as the alpha-biker!
But if it's in a race, and they won't take a turn, pull a nose hair and get the snot machine running and let loose!
|that's exactly right. everybody relax.||bill|
Jun 17, 2003 4:01 AM
|If it's a stanger||Mel Erickson|
Jun 17, 2003 6:04 AM
|Do you really want him/her to take a pull? You've got no idea if this person knows how to ride. Why not leave them alone to ride where it's safer for you?
If it's someone you know there shouldn't be a problem. Talk to them.
I also don't get why having a cyclist draft you is so abhorrant. Maybe they're invading your space or spoiling your solitude? I find it rare that someone drafts for an extended period of time. They either drop off, move ahead or take a different route. Relax, enjoy the ride and don't let something like this spoil your day. Life's too short and it's not worth it.
|What's the big deal?||Psalm 147-10_11|
Jun 17, 2003 7:19 AM
|A buddy of mine who is 6'10" and 275lbs rides regularly in RI. He's a strong rider and often completes his hilly 36 mile route with average speeds of 19 mph.
One day he caught up with another rider on one of his regular training routes and jumped on the other guy's back wheel after announcing his presence.
Then, without warning, this other guy hit the brakes and cursed out my buddy for sucking his wheel. Fortunately, he didn't crash, but I'm sure the other guy would have thought twice had he had a giant on top of him as he surfed the pavement after a crash. What a moron.
Jun 17, 2003 8:31 AM
|If I'm on a solo training ride I don't care if someone rolls up and sits on my wheel (it's nice to announce so I don't blow a snot rocket or sit up and "adjust" something). Not a lot of danger to me in the front. If they don't take a pull - no worries. In fact, I'm more comfortable with someone I don't know behind me rather than in front.
Different rules on a group ride. Everybody works.
|All right, I didn't want to have to say it, but I'm...||Dwayne Barry|
Jun 17, 2003 8:58 AM
|going to. There is nothing more Fredly than caring about whether or not somebody is drafting off you and not taking their turn (i.e. getting a free ride) when you are not in a RACE!
If you think it is some kind of safety issue to have somebody behind you, then stop pedaling and let them go by, or do the unthinkable, and ask them to stop following you!
|freaking exactly!....nm||The Human G-Nome|
Jun 17, 2003 3:53 PM
|re: Who cares?||beattle2|
Jun 17, 2003 9:50 AM
|Geez so what if a guy/girl is on your wheel. If they want to talk or just ride that is cool. Where just talking about regular riding right? Not racing? Sometimes I get the impression that people on this board try to hammer everytime they are in the saddle. Whats the big deal? Suck your wheel? Are you kidding?|
|avoid the potholes by inches and dont point them out! n/t||DeRosaOrBust|
Jun 17, 2003 12:44 PM
|if you can't ride him off your wheel, then you can't gripe nm||DougSloan|
Jun 17, 2003 4:08 PM