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Another MUT rant(20 posts)

Another MUT rantMazinger
Jun 16, 2003 5:21 AM
It's b1tch and moan Monday.....

Just because there's only one of me riding one way and two or three of you coming from the opposite way doesn't mean you can take up both sides of the trail!

I usually don't rant, but this is happening way too much to me. And it's not some guy riding with his kids, they usually stay in a single file. It's always the "roadies".
re: Another MUT rantc722061
Jun 16, 2003 6:22 AM
Have you tried to ride head on to them. Make them know you mean business. Not all roadies are bad, we just need a friendly reminder once in awhile. By the way, if you see roadies riding on trails, they are not real roadies. Real roadies ride on road along with traffic.
My rant about people ranting about MUT's...eschelon
Jun 16, 2003 7:22 AM
I figure if you are new to biking...then fine...but knowing full well that most people know that MUTs are a pain in the a55, why even bother riding it all? There are more headaches than good benefits to riding these things at all.

"Friends of bicyclists keep cycling friends from using MUTs."
not a universal truthterry b
Jun 16, 2003 7:42 AM
the MUTs where I live are virtually empty, all of the time. I think your generalization probably extends to all major city MUTs, and if I lived there I wouldn't ride them either. But, out here in the desert in my medium sized city the accepted truths about MUTs don't apply.

Funny thing is the rant the original poster posted does apply occasionally - it is almost always "serious" cyclists who are pulling that crap. I say "serious" because they usually are wearing the jerseys of local well-known teams or the university.

I ride them alot, not because I am new but because there are few people to compete with and I can get a 50 mile ride without cars.
Guys in their 20's with girlfriends are the worst.Spoke Wrench
Jun 16, 2003 7:29 AM
They never want to ride single file. My wife and I once encountered an even worse menace - two guys and only one girl. Neither guy would move because that would have ment relinquishing the girl to the other. Eventually I ended up skidding our tandem to a stop in the loose gravel on the edge of the trail.

I've often thought that it might have been interesting to see what would happen if 400lbs of tandem bike and rider hits a 200lb single bike head-on. I'm pretty sure that I know, but I don't want to have to buy a new handlebar and STI lever.
I hear you... so what to do? Yell? Ride near the middle? Signal?Fez
Jun 16, 2003 8:03 AM
I see this constantly.

On MUTs, these jokers ride 2 or 3 abreast coming head on. What to do?

1) Hand signal and point to stay to their right?
2) Yell at them to stay to right?
3) Ride closer to the center of the lane (but not crossing it) so they get the message?

The few times I ride the MUT, it seems the more I ride to the right, the more space the oncoming riders take as they pass you head on.
Don't say anything if a girl is involved:SnowBlind
Jun 16, 2003 9:47 AM
I've got the broken nose and police report to prove it. Guy decided he wanted to show off how big an alpha male he was and suck punched me.
Girlfriend turned white as a ghost when I pointed to my bloodied nose and said "Just remember, you piss him off, you'll end up looking like this."

Should have seen his face when the cops carted him off.

Had the top of a gay couple try the same thing with me, he decided it was better to back down.

I learned to stay off the MUT's on weekends after 10AM, and just use them for commuting.
people suckDougSloan
Jun 16, 2003 7:37 AM
sometimes people just plain suck. Heck, here in our office people can't seem to grasp simple concepts like walking to the right or looking before you barge out into the hallway and run over someone. Walking, cycling, driving -- people are idiots. They are either clueless or just don't give a crap about others, the selfish, egocentric, morons.

I doubt there is anything we can do. About all you can do is ride desolate country roads at 5 a.m.

Doug
Play "Chicken"MR_GRUMPY
Jun 16, 2003 8:02 AM
Pick up your speed and yell "HEY", when they are about 30 feet away. That will give them about 1 second to react. Grap your bars tight, and be ready to bump shoulders.
modified chicken approachDougSloan
Jun 16, 2003 12:35 PM
One approach I use when confronted by a group of morons coming at me is to move to the right and darn near come to a stop or actually stop, giving them my best "you're an inconsiderate idiot" glare. What are they going to do, hit someone stopped? They usually get the message, and this probably is a bit less dangerous than 30-40 mph closing speed chicken.

Doug
be assertivemohair_chair
Jun 16, 2003 8:03 AM
The thing to do, whether riding or walking on an MUT or anywhere else, is not to give way. Instead, stop in place and make them avoid you. They will, but if they don't, everyone around will know it is clearly their fault. Don't be bullied into diving out of the way.

I read that in Miss Manners a few years ago. Sidewalk etiquette!

You also need to develop a blank stare (dark sunglasses help) and no flinch attitude that communicates that not only are you in the right and you are not going to give way, but also you aren't even going to slow down! I love doing this to idiots riding the wrong way in the bike lane, who think I am going to dive out into traffic I can't see so they can keep the lane. A lot of these people get very surprised.
Everyone needs to take a deep breath.jtolleson
Jun 16, 2003 8:12 AM
I think people get way too intense on the MUT. Intensity should be for the road.

If people want to ride side-by-side and chat, I don't care as long as they respond to "bike up" (i.e., I'm coming in the opposite direction) or "on your left" (I am going to pass).

If you call out and get ignored, then maybe worry. Otherwise, I have been known to do a side-by-side chat in low volume traffic, pulling over as needed. What's the big deal?

Don't know if there is a rule for the MUT but here the "single file" rule only applies on the road when there is traffic within 100 yards either direction.
The key difference is that you pull over as needed...Fez
Jun 16, 2003 9:22 AM
when you ride side-by-side.
So true...jtolleson
Jun 16, 2003 11:27 AM
and I am always appropriately horrified if I feel that I have inconvenienced another roadie. But that's just my codependent personality... :)
Everyone needs to take a deep breath.Mazinger
Jun 16, 2003 9:24 AM
"Bike up"?

Never heard that before. Do I really need to tell people I'm coming from the opposite direction when they can see me plain as day coming straight for them?

BTW - I rarely break 15mph on a MUT. I get passed all the time.
Do you "need" to?jtolleson
Jun 16, 2003 11:25 AM
Well, I understand the philosophical objection that riders should be attentive, but when someone appears to be unattentive, I have found "bike up" (kind of a variation on "car back") to work pretty well.

Dunno about need, but it seems to keep things rolling along smoothly. Gets them out of my way, keeps my blood pressure down, and peace and harmony remain on the MUT.
re: Another MUT rantBike Nut
Jun 16, 2003 8:36 AM
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re: Another MUT rantMazinger
Jun 16, 2003 8:40 AM
I would avoid the MUT, but the one we have here is nice and long and connects towns and various roads. Most of the time roadies use it to get from one road to another.

I have stayed in my side and kept going and I've had a few close calls where the rider just refuses to stay on their side. I don't mind people riding side by side, but please move when someone's coming the other way. It common sense and good etiquette, which some people don't have. There's even a yellow line down the middle of the trail.
Tangential question: When did bike pathstorquer
Jun 17, 2003 10:51 AM
become MUTs? Or is their a difference? I never heard the term MUT until I started hanging out here; is it a regional thing, or just preferred because it sounds more technical?

Another aside: c722061 claims real roadies stay off MUTs; I used to agree, but I have learned the value of my local (usually lightly travelled) MUT/bike path for a perfect warm up & cool down: dead flat (rail right-of-way), limited curves for good visibility and light traffic (of all kinds)insure that I can concentrate on high cadence/low resistance for six miles before I face the local hills. No obnoxious drivers to distract me, either. As far as other cyclists, I'm usually not tempted to match the pace of the rare "MUT warrier" who blows by, but I do get a chance to wave hello to aknowledge (maybe even encourage) slower, less committed riders. I hope that doesn't disqualify me as a "real" roadie.
Most of the common folk still call them bike paths...Brooks
Jun 17, 2003 3:33 PM
but to people like us on this Board, Multiple Use Trails is more appropriate. If they were truly bike paths then all the walkers, joggers, bladers, baby strollers, etc. need to be removed. That isn't going to happen. A true bike path may be along the edge of the road (and I'll use it only if it is swept of glass, gravel and other debris). When ignorant drivers yell (and worse) "get on the bike path" I usually thank them for their concern and do not yield my right to be on the road. But I never flip off drivers any more. Two tons of steel with a pissed off driver usually wins in collisions with 200 pounds of flesh and a little metal.