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Shimano is going to be pissed!(17 posts)

Shimano is going to be pissed!collinsc
Jun 9, 2003 12:48 PM
Sharp eyes will see...
Shimano doesn't make a threadless headset (nm)TJeanloz
Jun 9, 2003 12:54 PM
yeah, i knowcollinsc
Jun 9, 2003 1:51 PM
thats why in the past they have always cheated and rigged a threaded XT to do the job.
could have been pre-approved? nmDougSloan
Jun 9, 2003 2:06 PM
Its great to finally see Lance with the top of the lineFez
Jun 9, 2003 2:37 PM
model. All he needs is a non-Shimano seatpost to go with it.

P.S. I think Shimano sponsorship should be drivetrain only. The headset (rigged) and seatpost are the 2 least desirable pieces. And many have their own wheel sponsors independent of Shimano components.
He has Campy now? nmthe bull
Jun 9, 2003 3:17 PM
re: The Whole Story on the item!teoteoteo
Jun 9, 2003 4:15 PM
This winter LA hired my co-worker as his personal assistant and wrench. The guy is a HUUUUGE King fan and I gave grief as this bike had a King at LBL.

He told me he had been harping on and on about how Lance needed a King. He says it must have rubbed off as this bike was built by Julien (USPS Head wrench.)

As a side note the 5500's use a Shimano XT threaded which has the Threads dremmeled out....
too bad for them ... slightly off topicweiwentg
Jun 9, 2003 4:33 PM
has anyone checked Branford Bike's Shimano webpage?

> Shimano America is implementing a new distribution program that authorizes select retailers to sell Shimano products via the web and mail order. In a recent letter to Branford Bike Shimano America stated that the purpose of their new sales policy was to "ensure that consumers are provided with the highest levels of service, receive proper product and warranty information, and that Shimano's products are promoted in a manner that furthers Shimano's reputation for quality products."

> We called Shimano America and asked George Eubanks, the policy creator, for a clarification. George Eubanks stated that he was not familar with Branford Bike and then added that we were not on Shimano's list of six "authorized web retailers". However if we agreed to stop selling all Shimano products over the web we would still be allowed to purchase them for resale through a brick and mortar store. We explained to him that we only sold Shimano products via our online catalog and previously with a paper catalog. We added that Branford Bike has sold Shimano products for over 28 years and currently serviced riders on every continent including Antartica. George Eubanks explained that this was their policy. However in a year or so there may be an opening and we could apply for "authorized web retailer" then. He added that soon they would be sending a list of banned retailers to Shimano distributors. He assured us that we would be included on that list if we continued to sell Shimano products via our online catalog.

> As a result we have decided to discontinue all Shimano products from our Online catalog. Many are on sale already and they will be removed from our catalog once our stocks are sold out. We regret that we can no longer offer Shimano's fine products to our customers around the world. If you would like to speak with Shimano America or George Eubanks you may call them at 800-423-2420 or fax them at 800-206-0010. You may also call them at (949)951-5003.

been posted on Velonews forum and Cyclingforum. I think Shimano is acting foolishly. Branford was too nice to them.
yeap and that would make Campy cheaper nmcyclopathic
Jun 10, 2003 3:11 AM
Nah, it'll just make the OEM demand grow exponentially....divve
Jun 10, 2003 4:35 AM way Shimano will be able to track and or limit sales to bike manufacturers...who then in turn will unload their surplus to whomever wants it.
Just how important is a headset ...KeeponTrekkin
Jun 10, 2003 4:49 AM
on a bike that's rebuilt and maintained as intensively as this one likely is? I respect (but do not worship) quality.

Or, is it simply a matter of practicality to use a stock headset over a kluge/custom modification of a sponsor's product because the sponsor didn't previously authorize it?

Any opinions our there?

Thanks for your thoughts.
agree and agreeFez
Jun 10, 2003 5:29 AM
I would choose a Chris King for these reasons:

1. It is beautiful.
2. The price is not that much of an issue. I believe it is $100 or so, and $50 extra dollars to add a nice finishing touch is not too bad of an expense. However, in the new era of integrated/internal headsets, the "looks good" sell is less of an issue.
3. That said, I still have yet to install a King on any of my bikes because it has never come with one and I have never worn the original out to warrant buying one.

In Lance/USPS's case, a relatively cheap Cane Creek weighs about the same and functions about the same. Also, he does have the best pro wrenches to look over things constantly so there would be nothing to worry about.

I think Shimano should join the 21st century and start paying the license fee to make threadless headsets. And how about redoing the seatpost as well? The DuraAce threaded headset and aluminum seatposts are the 2 oldest pieces in an otherwise state of the art component group.
I'm not sure they can improve the seatpost,TJeanloz
Jun 10, 2003 7:37 AM
Without going to carbon, which Shimano has avoided pretty well, I don't think they can do anything to make that seatpost better. Until the latest wave of uber-lightweight carbon posts, the Dura-Ace was lighter than most ti posts and cheaper. I think it's the best part of the group, and they shouldn't tinker with near-perfection.
What about a two bolt clamp? nmLen J
Jun 10, 2003 8:40 AM
I do...Fez
Jun 10, 2003 9:05 AM
The tubing is good on the seatpost. Strong and lightweight. Two possible areas of improvement are

1) the bonded head (probably the weakest point)
2) the clamp mechanism
I do...TJeanloz
Jun 10, 2003 9:27 AM
The bonded head is, legitimately, the only problem I've ever seen with the post. However, I've never seen one unbond that didn't have some good years under it.

I'm not sure you could improve the clamp (keeping setback) without making it heavier. If they could, it would definitely be worth looking into. But I don't know that a two-bolt design is inherently any better.
well LA can use whatever he wantscyclopathic
Jun 10, 2003 8:13 AM
this is written in his contract. With respect to headset smoother headset would give more precise steering on 70mph+ downhills in Alps; but was Shimano as bad to affect it?