|Sudden deaths in cycling||Sprint-Nick|
Jun 4, 2003 8:22 PM
|Before I begin I think its fair that no accusation be placed on Fabrice Salanson in this post. My post is based on speculation not fact, and the fact is the autopsy found no trace of drugs in him so may he rest in peace. There are things such as brain hemerages that can strike at a very young age which would not incriminate him.
With that said the sudden death of Fabrice Salanson on the eve of the Tour of Germany brought a question for me to light. Its mainly caused by 2 things; 1) that other in the past have died suddenly linked to the use of drugs and 2) a story I heard a couple years ago. I have no idea if it was true or not but it was about a top international mountain biker who had a heart rate monitor on at night and everytime his heart rate dropped below a certain level he'd have to run up and down the hallway to raise it so his heart rate did not stop from the use of EPO. Do you believe there are any facts in stories like this?
|A lot in fact||cyclequip|
Jun 5, 2003 12:40 AM
|This was quite common in days gone bye when doping was more widespread and EPO was in widespread use. Euro journalists covering the big races told of patrolling the hotel corridors in the early hours and listening at doors for the sounds of riders on wind trainers - that's who they knew would be contending. EPO thickens the blood. This phenomenon has less to do with heart problems and more to do with the thick blood circulating so slowly that some clotting takes place, causing the problems.|
Jun 5, 2003 8:10 AM
|blood is more likely to clot at low HR.|
Jun 5, 2003 10:23 AM
|I mean seriously, imagine being at such risk of dying in your sleep -- and knowing it -- that you had to ride a trainer in the middle of the night to stay alive. That's just nuts.|
|Sudden death during exercise isn't THAT uncommon...||retro|
Jun 5, 2003 7:55 AM
|Had a talk about this with my cardiologist the other day, when a friend (also his patient) had a heart attack in a 10k running race. The guy (he survived) is in his 40s, a runner for 25 years, in good condition, but he just keeled. As you'd expect, the heart is most likely to fail when it's under stress, so if there's a problem (genetic, environmental, drug-related) it may show up then. Overall, the benefits of exercise far outweigh the risk for most of us, but it isn't risk-free.|
|re: Sudden deaths in cycling||Fender|
Jun 5, 2003 8:17 AM
|I read an article a while back stating that when people are exposed to extreme amounts of physical stress in hotter temperatures than they are accustomed too, may die during the following 48 hours. What happens is that as the body cools down it goes into a somewhat state of shock and organs stop functioning, mainly the heart. This is "fairly" commen in the Marines when undergoing boot camp or basic training.
Maybe something similar happened to him.
|re: Sudden deaths in cycling||spockie|
Jun 5, 2003 4:04 PM
|Ladies and Gentlemen:
Folks can die from almost anything unexpectedly. Sudden heart attack, electrolytes out of balance, a fiber holding a valve leaflet in place ruptures and the valve becomes incompetent, aneurysms, congential heart defect, drugs being used to enhance performance (i.e. Tom Simpson. By the way the body does not go through a "shock" state in the typical sense. It is not"fairly" common for folks like marines to just drop dead from heat exhaustion AFTER the body cools down. Just my 2 cents
Brian Roberts MD
|re: Sudden deaths in cycling||liutim|
Jun 6, 2003 5:22 AM
|it is important for cyclists to monitor their heart rate. i was going to begin training this year...before i could begin, i came down with myocarditis. the infection of the heart may have been cause by a virus...to make a long story short, if you have an infection and not know it...many sudden death occur because of exertsion while having myocarditis. if you have rapid heart beat that won't go away and have a fever...you may have myocarditis.|| |